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[Aaron Carrara]

Recently tweeted this.  I see all his points but wondering about the Eyes of Texas request.... assume it has to do with the tune of "I've Been Working on the Railroad."  If so that makes sense. 

 

[Aaron Carrara]

Kaelen spreads a little more light on The Eyes.

 

[Bear19]

WTF

Virtue signaling is getting out of hand. I hope we don’t cave-in to it.

 

[TB14]

Not just Marqez. Majority of the Black players on the team are tweeting it. Also members of volleyball, track, and basketball teams have already also joined.

 

[TB14]

Honestly, the renaming of buildings, replacement of statues, and more diversity in the HOF are all pretty easy fixes and I completely understand the change. In fact I was shocked that nothing has been named after Julius Whittier. That man is a true Longhorn Legend

Also I have no idea of what .5% of the budget means in terms of dollars.But I don't know how well that is going to go over with the higher ups. They are huge on keeping the money for themselves. But I sure there is something they can get behind donating too or have donors donate to in the players honor.

The Eyes of Texas is going to be the biggest pushback. It is 100+ year old tradition that people truly love. I don't know the context with how it was written but I can see why some people could think it sounds racist. I'd rather do something with educating the students and athletes behind the meaning of the song than actually change it. 

 

[Hiwood]

I dont know Julius Whittier, but very well aware of who he was, but to single him out and not acknowledge the other black athletes is not the type of thing he would probably condone....Changing the names on buildings is another case of political correctness run amok and revisionist history...singling out the Eyes of Texas as somehow having racial overtones is absurd, no one is forcing anyone to sing the song, if you are offended by it then maybe you need to look at going to another school or burn your UT diploma. the University of Texas 2020 is not the UT of the yesteryear and to adjust its standards to appease the current political climate of the week is an insult to all those that came before them

 

[Baron]

I dont know Julius Whittier, but very well aware of who he was, but to single him out and not acknowledge the other black athletes is not the type of thing he would probably condone....Changing the names on buildings is another case of political correctness run amok and revisionist history...singling out the Eyes of Texas as somehow having racial overtones is absurd, no one is forcing anyone to sing the song, if you are offended by it then maybe you need to look at going to another school or burn your UT diploma. the University of Texas 2020 is not the UT of the yesteryear and to adjust its standards to appease the current political climate of the week is an insult to all those that came before them

Excellent post

 

[Coot]

Perhaps the school song should be determined by a vote of the student body.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

The way I understand it, Robert E Lee once said to his classes "The eyes of the South are upon you." Someone from Texas was in one of his classes and eventually used the line to "The Eyes of Texas."

They are totally different meanings and there is nothing racist in the song itself.

The fact that the Texas Cowboys once sung the song is irrelevant to me. Hitler once sang Amazing Grace but we still sing it out loud.

So it's guilt by association, which truly isn't fair.

Those who put away their history are destined to repeat it.

 

[Baron]

Perhaps the school song should be determined by a vote of the student body.

I'm thinking it was 100 years ago. And here is a BIG issue, the younger people are completely irreverent of what was determined before their time. Applying their own standards to a time they don't understand. 

What's next? Take away "Texas" "Fight" because Texas fought for the south? 

 

[Rotty22]

I think saying "they don't understand" is a bit naive.  I believe they are well aware of the history of the U.S.  They have generations that have lived it and have passed knowledge down.  Kudos to the players for requesting changes and kudos to CDC for making a positive statement about it.  At least he is willing to listen.  Reading his twitter, that is a pattern that I've seen from him.

 

[Baron]

I think saying "they don't understand" is a bit naive.  I believe they are well aware of the history of the U.S.  They have generations that have lived it and have passed knowledge down.  Kudos to the players for requesting changes and kudos to CDC for making a positive statement about it.  At least he is willing to listen.  Reading his twitter, that is a pattern that I've seen from him.

I don't have an issue with all but 2 of their demands as I understand it. The "Eyes of Texas" thing has me, for lack of a better term, freaked out. By saying they don't understand, I mean that they can't comprehend what was in the mind of the people or person who wrote and promoted "The Eyes Of Texas" 100 years ago. I'll ask the question again, were Earl and Vince upset or uneasy because they were required to sing the song? If not, what has changed since then? And why didn't they speak out? They were legends and respected among most Texas fans

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Perhaps the school song should be determined by a vote of the student body.

So how often should the student body vote on the school song?

 

[primal defense]

UT can take rename Robert Lee Moore Hall as far as I'm concern. He's a no brainer.

Moore's record as a teacher of mathematics has been tarnished by his attitude towards black students, which modern sources have called racist.[3][4] Most of Moore's career was spent in a racially segregated part of the United States. African-American students were prohibited from even enrolling at the University of Texas until the late 1950s,[5] and Moore himself was strongly in favor of segregation.[6][7][8][9] After the University of Texas began admitting African-American students, he refused to allow them into his classes, even for mathematics graduate students such as Vivienne Malone-Mayes.[3][4][7][8] He told another African-American mathematics student, Walker E. Hunt, "you are welcome to take my course but you start with a C and can only go down from there".[9] On one occasion he walked out of a talk by a student, his academic grandchild, after discovering that the speaker was African-American.[4][7][8]

Moore was also known for repeatedly claiming that female students were inferior to male students, and, though "less pronounced than his racism", for his antisemitism.[4] However, while Moore's racism is confirmed by several first-hand accounts of his refusal to teach African-American students, the often-repeated description of him as a misogynist and antisemite is based largely on his oral remarks. Some of the sources reporting these remarks, such as Mary Ellen Rudin, also point out that in fact he encouraged females who showed mathematical talent and that he had Jewish students, such as Edwin E. Moise (who was asked about Moore's anti-Semitic reputation in an interview[10]) and Martin Ettlinger, and close colleagues, such as Hyman J. Ettlinger.  His encouragement of Rudin and other female students is documented[11] and between 1949 and 1970 (the earliest period when national data are known) 4 of Moore's 31 doctoral students (13%) were female, while nationally 175 were female out of 2646 doctoral graduates in mathematics and statistics (7%).[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lee_Moore

 

[java]

I agree that Black Lives Matter, but in a larger context, who will disagree with me when I say that All Lives Matter?   Because I am not black, but a different race, does my life matter less?

Marquez’s letter was very well written; however, the ideas sound like those of a collective group that simply threw every idea out, and he included all on the list. 

I realize that our athletes sacrifice much for our team, but gentlemen, compared to Earl Campbell, Tommy Nobis, Vince Young, James Saxton, Jimmy Street, Bob McKay, Ricky Williams, Bobby Layne, the 1969 National Championship Team, the 1970 National Championship team, the 2008 team, and the 2005 National Championship Team, and countless others, exactly what gives you the right to request that our school song be changed? It seems somewhat audacious to me.  Does your contribution matter more than theirs, do you matter more?

Did you ask them if they would like to have their school song changed?  

i realize that at your age, you think the whole world revolves around you, but it doesn’t. The University of Texas program is represented by you and all of those who came before you. Their lives and contributions matter, as well. 

In my opinion, your request to remove The Eyes is childish and meant to antagonize. It’s my school song, as well as hundreds of thousands of others. 

If you want change, negotiate, don’t threaten!

Hook ‘em!

 

[UTfish]

Well said, Java! Hook'em!

I'm going fishing till everyone settles down. 

 

[java]

Not just Marqez. Majority of the Black players on the team are tweeting it. Also members of volleyball, track, and basketball teams have already also joined.

I truly think that much of this unrest is due to the unusual circumstances we find ourselves in-limited social interaction, curtailed activities, boredom due to COVID-19 restrictions. Boredom breeds discontent. 

Heck, I’m bored and restless. 

Our irresponsible media is fueling the controversy.

 

[java]

Well said, Java! Hook'em!

I'm going fishing till everyone settles down. 

You do that!  Sounds like fun. I’m going on a heavy duty workout program. If our guys were working out as hard as they should would they have the energy?

 

[oldhorn2]

Some of y'all may remember....most are too young to even know, but in the late 60's there was a BIG push in the student body to replace the Longhorn as the school mascot with the …..Armadillo!....I suspect if they would have allowed a student vote on the issue it would have passed easily.

Just something to think about.