Johnny Douchebag throws aggy coaches under the bus

[HornNdriftwood]

From a Shannon Terry article over on 247:

3). Here's the shocker to some degree ... he asked Manziel what he would do in certain scenarios -- based on what the defense was showing. He said that Manziel answered each time, that he didn't know, couldn't answer the question ... and that he wasn't taught the nuances of the QB position A&M. "They just snapped me the ball and wanted me to make a play," was his general response when asked.

Ha, ha! Yea, he wanted to study and learn but the aggy coaches wouldn't teach him nuance. Maybe they should have offered it online.



http://alabama.247sports.com/Board/116/-Inside-tidbits-on-Johnny-Manziel--26433782

 

[Randolph Duke]

On of the issues with Manziel is that his resume lacks the demonstrated experience that instilled discipline. The NFL is an experience when a private club with a $1 billion asset chooses individuals who can understand "skill player" means one who can deliver a performance on the field and a persona off the field week, after week, after week. It's a grind, both on the field and off. A top pro QB gets paid $15mil+ for a reason - because he delivers more than that in value to the organization.

If I had a $1 billion investment at risk, I don't see anything on Manziel's resume that makes me think he is the one I need to commit to. It would be much safer to get a free agent who has proven they can handle everything and maintain focus through the grind of the season. The average NFL player's career is just under 3.5yrs. Taking a 4 year free agent QB who has proven they can handle the challenge of playing in the league seems much safer than paying some kid who may or may not finally have his shit together in life. RGIII grew up in a FAR more disciplined environment as a kid than Manziel. RGIII has proven his talent isn't what is going to keep him in the league, rather it's his discipline. During rehab, during film study and in finding the balance between football and life.

If Manziel couldn't handle the "rigors" of life on campus at TAMU, I just don't see he has the discipline to make it in the NFL.

 

[Lord Vader]

Maybe in year 2, but I'm positive KK taught him a thing or two.

 

[monarch]

yessir!

 

[GetHooked]

Stories like this make me think his stock is going to plummet. He sounds like a 4th rounder based on that info.

 

[streettopeschel]

flame away, but is that answer radically different than what we did with vy? remember mack's answer about what they did with vince...'we left him alone'.

 

[Randolph Duke]

flame away, but is that answer radically different than what we did with vy? remember mack's answer about what they did with vince...'we left him alone'.

I may be wrong, but I think Vince accomplished a bit more than a 5th place finish in his conference. Vince didn't have the arrest record Manziel did and even with those advantages, Vince had a short career in the NFL.

I again ask. Where did Manziel suddenly develop his discipline and work ethic? If he couldn't handle the rigors of an Agricultural Leadership online degree from tamu, what would indicate to anyone he has the disclipline to be the leader of a $1 billion private company?

 

[chilly52]

I'm torn between he's all that or he's so arrogant, he'll never learn a thing. He needs a seriously good HC to play under, so he has a chance to grow up. So, who's going to take him that has the power, time and energy to make him a good NFL QB? It's not Houston, although O'Brien could probably do it. I'd like to see what Belichick could do with him, but that would be a stretch for Bill. He likes late rounders that have a little humility beaten into them. How about Rex; the worst disciplinarian in the league...Nah! One of the Harbaugh boys? They'd kill him pretty quick or trade him to their brother.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

^ Kaepernick had a similar reputation his first year in the league, I wonder if Jim stomped that out of him.

 

[HornNdriftwood]

flame away, but is that answer radically different than what we did with vy? remember mack's answer about what they did with vince...'we left him alone'.

They said, "we let Vince be Vince." They changed the offense for him, from pro-style to zone read, to incorporate the threat of his legs instead of trying to pound a square peg in a round hole. They coached him hard and he took coaching well. His game progressed a lot in his 3 yrs. on campus. I've said many times, IMO, Manziel's game really hasn't progressed at all since high school.

Another big difference between the two, Vince always gave all the credit to Greg Davis and the coaching staff. He never threw them under the bus.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

I would consider this hearsay. Also, this is truly an uneducated thought "Manziel's game really hasn't progressed at all since high school". His passing has improved tenfold since his days at Tivy, his biggest issue that he hasn't been coached out of (one of the biggest knocks on him by GMs) up to this point is him not always feeling the pressure correctly and often moving towards it rather than from it. He never looks comfortable in a pocket after a couple of seconds and it will be interesting to see if this ever changes, he's 21 and only has two true years of experience under his belt, I believe there is time for this to be fixed, but I understand the concerns for a team using a first round pick and making him the face of the franchise.

 

[PropositionJoe]

Yeah I don't buy that. Johnny would throw our coaches under the bus like that.

 

[BevoBlake]

I may be wrong, but I think Vince accomplished a bit more than a 5th place finish in his conference. Vince didn't have the arrest record Manziel did and even with those advantages, Vince had a short career in the NFL.
I again ask. Where did Manziel suddenly develop his discipline and work ethic? If he couldn't handle the rigors of an Agricultural Leadership online degree from tamu, what would indicate to anyone he has the disclipline to be the leader of a $1 billion private company?

To play Devil's Advocate a little bit. I for one, don't question Manziel's work ethic. It's very apparent that the kid worked hard to get to where he's at right now. He is most definitely one of the most electrifying athletes in College Football. And he is a game changer. Sure, A&M never finished that high in the SEC Standings. But it's hard to finish very high in the standings when your team had the second most points against in the SEC. Especially when the team who had more points against only managed three wins the entire year. A&M's defense was truly atrocious last year and I'd sympathize for any Quarterback who had to play through that.

Now I won't back off my claims that he's arrogant. I also won't back off my claims that many of his big plays developed out of luck rather than skill. But I can do all of that while still believing that he's an exciting player to watch. And I'm intrigued to see what he'll do at the next level. His career will be polarizing, whether he starts or not. I absolutely expect him to have the Tim Tebow Effect. One place I could see Manziel ending up and succeeding is Kansas City. We've already seen how Alex Smith has blossomed under Andy Reid. Smith will be a free agent in 2015 barring any contract extension. That would give Manziel a year to learn on the bench and really understand Reid's gameplan. If Smith has another year like he did this year, he'll fetch a decent contract in Free Agency. However, Manziel would have to fall into the 2nd or 3rd for this to happen. And I just don't see him falling.

 

[JimsTexas]

I only have 1 question tell me the name of the team that is going to pay millions "to let this nutty kid who still needs to grow up play one of the most important positions on the team?" My friends y'all have a great week.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I only have 1 question tell me the name of the team that is going to pay millions "to let this nutty kid who still needs to grow up play one of the most important positions on the team?" My friends y'all have a great week.

Who drafted Todd Marinovich? Who drafted Ryan Leaf? Not to say Manzeil will bust like those two, the point is simply that somebody is going to pay him millions to play one of the most important positions on the team, whether they perceive him as nutty or not.

 

[Randolph Duke]

To play Devil's Advocate a little bit. I for one, don't question Manziel's work ethic. It's very apparent that the kid worked hard to get to where he's at right now. He is most definitely one of the most electrifying athletes in College Football. And he is a game changer. Sure, A&M never finished that high in the SEC Standings. But it's hard to finish very high in the standings when your team had the second most points against in the SEC. Especially when the team who had more points against only managed three wins the entire year. A&M's defense was truly atrocious last year and I'd sympathize for any Quarterback who had to play through that.
Now I won't back off my claims that he's arrogant. I also won't back off my claims that many of his big plays developed out of luck rather than skill. But I can do all of that while still believing that he's an exciting player to watch. And I'm intrigued to see what he'll do at the next level. His career will be polarizing, whether he starts or not. I absolutely expect him to have the Tim Tebow Effect. One place I could see Manziel ending up and succeeding is Kansas City. We've already seen how Alex Smith has blossomed under Andy Reid. Smith will be a free agent in 2015 barring any contract extension. That would give Manziel a year to learn on the bench and really understand Reid's gameplan. If Smith has another year like he did this year, he'll fetch a decent contract in Free Agency. However, Manziel would have to fall into the 2nd or 3rd for this to happen. And I just don't see him falling.

You talk about Manziel being "where he is at." Exactly where is that? Manziel certainly isn't the quarterback I would pick to win a big game. Let's not forget against ranked teams in his conference (Fla, LSU, Ala in 2012 and LSU, Ala, Aub and Mizz in 2013) Manziel went a whopping 1-6. As for being a pro style QB, he may develop into one, but he certainly isn't there today. Manziel's skill is to bail out of the pocket and make his progressions on the run, then throwing the ball up for grabs to receivers with a 6" height advantage.

Time and again we have seen the quickness in college quarterbacks doesn't translate to the pros. The quickness Manziel enjoyed against college teams will be gone starting on his first play from scrimmage. Take that away, and what do you have in Manziel? Even with one of the best lines in college football, Manziel wasn't a pocket passer. Take the advantage of the superior line from him and what do you have? The biggest question with him is how he will make the transition to the pros. His need to public attention is an issue. His maturity is an issue. His lack of good judgment is an issue. Even his father mentioned his drinking habits are an issue (and let's not forget that NFL GMs have the real story from the Manning Academy). There remains a huge question how Manziel will handle the inevitable setbacks the will come his way in the pros.

I still say Manziel is a huge risk until he can show he is capable of handling both the on field and off field aspects of being a pro athlete. He doesn't seem to have elite level skills at either.

 

[streettopeschel]

I may be wrong, but I think Vince accomplished a bit more than a 5th place finish in his conference. Vince didn't have the arrest record Manziel did and even with those advantages, Vince had a short career in the NFL.
I again ask. Where did Manziel suddenly develop his discipline and work ethic? If he couldn't handle the rigors of an Agricultural Leadership online degree from tamu, what would indicate to anyone he has the disclipline to be the leader of a $1 billion private company?

1) no you're not wrong, but that has nothing to do with the point i was making. never implied manziel accomplished more than vince so not sure what your point is.

2) i completely agree with your second paragraph. manziel with guaranteed millions would scare the hell out of me as an owner. but if i owned a strip club, i'd love him in my town.

 

[PropositionJoe]

someone put together a nice video of johnny's passes from the pocket. he shows off a pretty decent arm.

the music, however, is terrible

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I only have 1 question tell me the name of the team that is going to pay millions "to let this nutty kid who still needs to grow up play one of the most important positions on the team?" My friends y'all have a great week.

JAX

Jaguars need all the publicity and fan interest they can generate. JFF will sell tickets for a franchise that needs it. Plus, they've cleared a spot by trading Gabbert.