ESPN ARTICLE ON RECRUITING

[MBHORNSFAN]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/on-the-trail/post/_/id/55978/texas-has-a-texas-recruiting-problem

 

[Randolph Duke]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/on-the-trail/post/_/id/55978/texas-has-a-texas-recruiting-problem

The recruits aren't buying what Coach Strong is selling. This isn't a "Mack Brown" problem. It is a Charlie Strong problem. Recruits meet the guy, listen to him and then walk away. Charlie is failing. There is no other way to spin it. 

 

[Matt Cotcher]

I'm not too surprised that Crabtree put out this piece.....misspellings and hype about the sky falling only to contradict himself at the end with this: 

If Charlie Strong comes out and wins, they're might be another flip,” McGuire said. “If they can come out and surprise some people this year and win games, then they’re going to be the hot team with recruits. Winning and losing is going to make a big part of those schools' recruiting classes.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

The recruits aren't buying what Coach Strong is selling. This isn't a "Mack Brown" problem. It is a Charlie Strong problem. Recruits meet the guy, listen to him and then walk away. Charlie is failing. There is no other way to spin it. 

Be very careful Duke you are going to be accused of being negative and a hater. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

aggie had a few top-flight recruits in their 2013 class, too - Miles, Golden, Claiborne.

I'm sure Lodge will be a solid contributor if he's able to stay out of trouble.  Word is, he scratched UT off his list once WR coach Wyatt wasn't retained.  I'd also take whatever another Big12 coach has to say about our staff with a grain of salt.

 

[Matt Cotcher]

FIFY

The 2015 recruits aren't buying what Coach Strong is selling. This isn't a "Mack Brown" problem. It is a Charlie Strong problem. 2015 recruits meet the guy, listen to him and then walk away. Charlie is failing. There is no other way to spin it.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

1. I keep hearing is all UT needs to do is win. Well what is interesting is Aggie is not winning yet they are recruiting lights out. So why does UT need to win to recruit well yet Aggie does not? 

2. What we know now is that if UT is losing & Aggie is losing due to SEC factor Aggie will out recruit us.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Be very careful Duke you are going to be accused of being negative and a hater. 

Lol. I'm not worried about the opinion of anyone who is denying Charlie Strong is in over his head. Anyone giving him a passing grade so far clearly has a problem grasping the obvious. I thought the game passes Mack by a number of years ago and it seems my judgment was spot on. I think it is just as obvious CharlieStrong is getting his message rejected by most of the decent recruits. That tells me Charlie isn't prepared to recruit at the highest level of college football. I think we are in a world of trouble for the next five or six years until we get a coach in who is up to the job and has some time to deal with the damage of what by then will be a decade of coaches who were not up to the task. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Lol. I'm not worried about the opinion of anyone who is denying Charlie Strong is in over his head. Anyone giving him a passing grade so far clearly has a problem grasping the obvious. I thought the game passes Mack by a number of years ago and it seems my judgment was spot on. I think it is just as obvious CharlieStrong is getting his message rejected by most of the decent recruits. That tells me Charlie isn't prepared to recruit at the highest level of college football. I think we are in a world of trouble for the next five or six years until we get a coach in who is up to the job and has some time to deal with the damage of what by then will be a decade of coaches who were not up to the task. 

I hope you're 100% wrong but I am beginning to see all the signs you are right. Lots of people who are here have their heads buried in the sand are what I call new UT fans. They have only been around less then 15 yrs or so. They do not remember the 80's or 90's but we are trending that way again.

 

[Randolph Duke]

FIFY

The 2015 recruits aren't buying what Coach Strong is selling. This isn't a "Mack Brown" problem. It is a Charlie Strong problem. 2015 recruits meet the guy, listen to him and then walk away. Charlie is failing. There is no other way to spin it.

The argument we need to write off the next three years and be patient until 2017 when Charlie Strong will have gotten his 2016 class coached up is a crock. Making up excuses for losing and saying "but two years from now we are going to win a national championship" is for aggys. 

Football players these days want to smoke dope, blow off classes and just be athletes getting laid and paid. Sumlin knows that and so does the entire SEC. Charlie may have a sales pitch that works on kids who have no option other than going to Louisville and playing second tier conference ball, but at the highest level of college football, Charlie Strong's sales pitch is getting laughed at. 

You may be ok with making up excuses, but excuses aren't what built the UT brand. Winning is and right now, there are zero signs that Charlie Strong can win at the highest level of college football.  

 

[Matt Cotcher]

The argument we need to write off the next three years and be patient until 2017 when Charlie Strong will have gotten his 2016 class coached up is a crock. Making up excuses for losing and saying "but two years from now we are going to win a national championship" is for aggys. 

Football players these days want to smoke dope, blow off classes and just be athletes getting laid and paid. Sumlin knows that and so does the entire SEC. Charlie may have a sales pitch that works on kids who have no option other than going to Louisville and playing second tier conference ball, but at the highest level of college football, Charlie Strong's sales pitch is getting laughed at. 

You may be ok with making up excuses, but excuses aren't what built the UT brand. Winning is and right now, there are zero signs that Charlie Strong can win at the highest level of college football.  

You completely missed the point. Where has anyone said to wait until 2017?

The reality of the situation is that 2015 kids are not on board with what Strong is selling. You identified a subset of that class that is buying what A&M and the SEC is selling. No argument on that fact.

However, rising HS juniors (2016 recruits) definitely are showing more interest than the current class. That isn't 'Making up excuses for losing and saying "but two years from now we are going to win a national championship" ' - it's truth.

As for A&M "losing" (in the earlier post), you know it's not on par to equate what Texas has done for the last 3 seasons with what A&M has done. That's ridiculous.

 

[texasdobbs]

Football players these days want to smoke dope, blow off classes and just be athletes getting laid and paid. Sumlin knows that and so does the entire SEC. Charlie may have a sales pitch that works on kids who have no option other than going to Louisville and playing second tier conference ball, but at the highest level of college football, Charlie Strong's sales pitch is getting laughed at.

You want to talk about aggish. .. I would be happy with a 0-12 season than to allow this crap to happen to Texas!

 

[Aaron Carrara]

1. Strong has yet to coach one game at Texas.

2. He had approximately one month between when he was hired at Texas and NSD 2014.

3. NSD 2015 is 8 months away.

The sky is not falling yet, guys.

 

[streettopeschel]

The argument we need to write off the next three years and be patient until 2017 when Charlie Strong will have gotten his 2016 class coached up is a crock. Making up excuses for losing and saying "but two years from now we are going to win a national championship" is for aggys. 

Football players these days want to smoke dope, blow off classes and just be athletes getting laid and paid. Sumlin knows that and so does the entire SEC. Charlie may have a sales pitch that works on kids who have no option other than going to Louisville and playing second tier conference ball, but at the highest level of college football, Charlie Strong's sales pitch is getting laughed at. 

You may be ok with making up excuses, but excuses aren't what built the UT brand. Winning is and right now, there are zero signs that Charlie Strong can win at the highest level of college football.

dammit you're right. we definitely want the dope smokin', class blowin', laid/paid crowd at Texas.
I have no idea whether Strong is in over his head. Neither do you and you have no clue whether his pitch is being laughed at. But i will wait for tangible evidence, you know like wins and losses, before i form a definitive opinion.

I do find it somewhat interesting neither you or MB had a comment on the Cy Falls DT who had Texas atop his list over schools like ou and lsu. Or were they the 'second tier conference' schools you were referring to?

 

[streettopeschel]

1. Strong has yet to coach one game at Texas.

2. He had approximately one month between when he was hired at Texas and NSD 2014.

3. NSD 2015 is 8 months away.

The sky is not falling yet, guys.

it's never too early for message board experts to hit the panic button. you know that i'm sure.

 

[texasdobbs]

Football players these days want to smoke dope, blow off classes and just be athletes getting laid and paid. Sumlin knows that and so does the entire SEC. Charlie may have a sales pitch that works on kids who have no option other than going to Louisville and playing second tier conference ball, but at the highest level of college football, Charlie Strong's sales pitch is getting laughed at.

You want to talk about aggish. .. I would be happy with a 0-12 season than to allow this crap to happen to Texas!

 

[Randolph Duke]

You completely missed the point. Where has anyone said to wait until 2017?

The reality of the situation is that 2015 kids are not on board with what Strong is selling. You identified a subset of that class that is buying what A&M and the SEC is selling. No argument on that fact.

However, rising HS juniors (2016 recruits) definitely are showing more interest than the current class. That isn't 'Making up excuses for losing and saying "but two years from now we are going to win a national championship" ' - it's truth.

As for A&M "losing" (in the earlier post), you know it's not on par to equate what Texas has done for the last 3 seasons with what A&M has done. That's ridiculous.

What makes you believe the 2016 class is so full of talent that even if we get the top 25 in the state they are going to be able to walk on campus and immediately turn the program around? There aren't many kids who can come out of high school and immediately be impact players at the college level. Its absurd to believe the 29016 happens to be full of them and they aren't going to need at least one year of coaching to be able to be impact players. That makes 2017 the soonest to reasonably expect the program to get righted. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

it's never too early for message board experts to hit the panic button. you know that i'm sure.

I'm pretty sure you were one of the experts who was calling for Mack Brown to be fired too.  So I guess its ok to be a message board expert as long as you agree with the topic.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

1. I keep hearing is all UT needs to do is win. Well what is interesting is Aggie is not winning yet they are recruiting lights out. So why does UT need to win to recruit well yet Aggie does not? 

2. What we know now is that if UT is losing & Aggie is losing due to SEC factor Aggie will out recruit us.

Valid points assuming that the "Top 25 players" play to that level in college.

I honestly don't know how Sumlin continues to have the "success" he's had recruiting.  What is it?  Is it the hip hop DJ at practice?  The 'Swaggercopter'?  A&M's recent success on NFL Draft Day?

How does Sumlin look a recruit and parent in the eye and tell them he honestly cares about his education?  It's been documented and demonstrated by their off-field problems and online course work that he clearly does not.

Asked about the difficulty of dismissing two starters, Sumlin said: “I don’t weigh it as far as our defense. I weigh it as far as when you have a mom in your office who is crying because in 17 years, she couldn’t get it the right way. And in 12 months, you couldn’t either. The human side of it becomes a lot harder than the football side of it.

“For me, it’s not about defense, it’s not about offense, it’s not about the impact of the team … It’s about people.â€

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/06/17/5907953/kevin-sumlin-talks-aggies-off.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/06/17/5907953/kevin-sumlin-talks-aggies-off.html

If coaching the aggies doesn't work out, Sumlin definitely has a future in sales...or politics.  He didn't have any system in place to ensure his student-athletes were going to class, but gosh darn it he cares!  Cue the violins.  Forget the fact that less than 2% of CFB players make it in the NFL. Sumlin knows how to make that happen, by God!

Let's just get Strong his own damn burnt orange and white helicopter already...that's what kids are going for these days.  And stop playing that old cracker, Phil Collins' "In the Air Tonight", on the loudspeaker!  Get with the times, man!  Getting an education isn't that important.  It's all about "swag".