Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[NEOkHorn]

While I understand the frustration , I’m a little confused how Patterson received all the praise for the Bama game and none of the blame for Tech. Plenty of stinkage all the way around for that debacle.

 

[TexCoyote]

Lots of folks are calling for PK's firing right now.

I don’t know if he needs to be fired or not. I said it last night because I was highly pissed off. Either way they need to figure out the defense and like soon. 
I’d like to see more of those young guys rotating on the DL. The guys are trying but they get gassed. Patterson needs to interject with the DBs. This letting them catch it and then hopefully making the tackle we’ve seen over the years for too long. Every pass needs to be contested and if we get a couple of PIs so be it. Remember how his DBs did at TCU? They were all over you. I don’t care what it takes but find a way to get some hits on the QB. Bring however many you need to get hits on the QB. Yesterday their QB was uncomfortable when they were getting back there and it didn’t continue to happen. I guess they gassed. They got 100 plays because we couldn’t get them off the field. It’s going to be interesting to see see what/if anything changes. 

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

While I understand the frustration , I’m a little confused how Patterson received all the praise for the Bama game and none of the blame for Tech. Plenty of stinkage all the way around for that debacle.

Exactly. We all need to back off the ledge. The season will have its ebbs and flows. Can't get too high or low with any one game.

The team has to play better and Sark needs to take a long deep look in the mirror.

 

[zion3d]

Elasped time?  1 year

Results?  Same

Issues?  Same

Fan Reaction? Same

So what has truly changed?  Nothing

It seems we are all doomed to continue this cycle year after year. We will hear the same under and over reactions from the fanbase and the coaches.  

Hell, I probably should not even post this but rather repost something I said from the previous years boards because it has all been said before.  The Strong, Herman, and now Sark eras have been nothing more that a ride on the merry-go-round.  This message board too.  

I find myself asking why I do this. Allowing myself to believe that this football team will once again soar to the heights of 2005.  Maybe thats on me or on the coaches that beilieve their own coach speak. Hell, maybe its both.  Yet here I sit a fan in search of a team that has long since seen its better days.  Maybe its time to find another hobby. 

For those that would look on the bright side I would say how has that worked out for us over the past 15 years?  Once we move to the SEC it only gets worse. 

I do not know what or if there is an answer for this.  That is what we pay the coaches to figure out.  I do know when I see a pattern.  Maybe the schemes, training, calls, and players are different but the results are not.   

Insert mental note:  Quit believing that anything will change until you get to the end of the season and see the Texas Longhorns actually playing for a conference title.  When it comes to the Longhorns the end of hope is the beginning of seeing things as they truly are and the orange koolaid will no longer have a hold over you.  

 

[TFloss32]

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[Ntx dog]

2 minutes ago, TFloss32 said:

Lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Folks with juice or just pissed off fans like us?

Twitter

 

[TFloss32]

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Elasped time?  1 year

Results?  Same

Issues?  Same

Fan Reaction? Same

So what has truly changed?  Nothing

It seems we are all doomed to continue this cycle year after year. We will hear the same under and over reactions from the fanbase and the coaches.  

Hell, I probably should not even post this but rather repost something I said from the previous years boards because it has all been said before.  The Strong, Herman, and now Sark eras have been nothing more that a ride on the merry-go-round.  This message board too.  

I find myself asking why I do this. Allowing myself to believe that this football team will once again soar to the heights of 2005.  Maybe thats on me or on the coaches that beilieve their own coach speak. Hell, maybe its both.  Yet here I sit a fan in search of a team that has long since seen its better days.  Maybe its time to find another hobby. 

For those that would look on the bright side I would say how has that worked out for us over the past 15 years?  Once we move to the SEC it only gets worse. 

I do not know what or if there is an answer for this.  That is what we pay the coaches to figure out.  I do know when I see a pattern.  Maybe the schemes, training, calls, and players are different but the results are not.   

Insert mental note:  Quit believing that anything will change until you get to the end of the season and see the Texas Longhorns actually playing for a conference title.  When it comes to the Longhorns the end of hope is the beginning of seeing things as they truly are and the orange koolaid will no longer have a hold over you.  

Part of the problem is that we think we know what's going on, we think we know where this is going. We've been trained, like seals, to be this way simply because of the experience of the past 15 years.

The thing I know to be certain and is not speculation is that change happens whether we like it or not. Change is one of life's few certainties.

I look around and I already see change. What would have Tom Herman's team have done against Bama? What would Charlie's team have done? None of their rosters looked like the one I see today.

Across the board we're building a better team. It is not a finished product. Anyone who has ever built anything in their lives knows there are hiccups along the way.

We lost to Tech, in Lubbock, by two points in OT. Thats not exactly losing to KU from last year. Tech is a very good football team. If they play OU like they played us, they'll beat them too. But this was a hiccup.

We're only four games in. This path can lead to anywhere. Things may very well look similar now, but it doesn't mean it will stay that way. We've got some brilliant minds, great teachers on staff. 

We don't know what this team will achieve or not achieve this year. Not yet.

 

[zion3d]

Part of the problem is that we think we know what's going on, we think we know where this is going. We've been trained, like seals, to be this way simply because of the experience of the past 15 years.

The thing I know to be certain and is not speculation is that change happens whether we like it or not. Change is one of life's few certainties.

I look around and I already see change. What would have Tom Herman's team have done against Bama? What would Charlie's team have done? None of their rosters looked like the one I see today.

Across the board we're building a better team. It is not a finished product. Anyone who has ever built anything in their lives knows there are hiccups along the way.

We lost to Tech, in Lubbock, by two points in OT. Thats not exactly losing to KU from last year. Tech is a very good football team. If they play OU like they played us, they'll beat them too. But this was a hiccup.

We're only four games in. This path can lead to anywhere. Things may very well look similar now, but it doesn't mean it will stay that way. We've got some brilliant minds, great teachers on staff. 

We don't know what this team will achieve or not achieve this year. Not yet.

Your optimizism is duly noted.  However, we have had all of these same discussions for the past 12 or so years and the end result for all of those years has been the same, a mediocre at best, team and record. 

The only way I will change my mind about where this is all going will be if the Longhorns win the Big 12 this year.  Anything less and I will not be convinced that we have the right head coach or that we are heading in the right direction as a program.  I alluded to Sarkesians record as a head coach many times to the aggravation of other fans but it is a large sample of what he has been able to do as a head coach.  .452 overall  Stats do not lie.  Now, is it possible that he could change that, sure.  But there are possibilites and probabilites.  I don't think its probable that he can be anything other than what his record as a head coach says he is.  

As far as just handling the OC duties he is a 10. This is what he did at BAMA.  But having to be the head coach and manage the game on top of everyhting else IMO is something that he is not capable of doing.  You can see the poor adjustments, game management, and how it affects the play calling.  

I am not advocating for him to be fired but either the administration or Sarkesian have to acknowledge that he cannot do both.  As far as firing goes, PK would be the first.  It will not happen until the year ends and we are 100th in total team defense again.  

 

[Eastexhorn]

Breaking news No matter how good they play TT will not beat OU this year!

 

[Hiwood]

Your optimizism is duly noted.  However, we have had all of these same discussions for the past 12 or so years and the end result for all of those years has been the same, a mediocre at best, team and record. 

The only way I will change my mind about where this is all going will be if the Longhorns win the Big 12 this year.  Anything less and I will not be convinced that we have the right head coach or that we are heading in the right direction as a program.  I alluded to Sarkesians record as a head coach many times to the aggravation of other fans but it is a large sample of what he has been able to do as a head coach.  .452 overall  Stats do not lie.  Now, is it possible that he could change that, sure.  But there are possibilites and probabilites.  I don't think its probable that he can be anything other than what his record as a head coach says he is.  

As far as just handling the OC duties he is a 10. This is what he did at BAMA.  But having to be the head coach and manage the game on top of everyhting else IMO is something that he is not capable of doing.  You can see the poor adjustments, game management, and how it affects the play calling.  

I am not advocating for him to be fired but either the administration or Sarkesian have to acknowledge that he cannot do both.  As far as firing goes, PK would be the first.  It will not happen until the year ends and we are 100th in total team defense again.  

might be a lotta truth to what you speak of...For example Mack was a great CEO type because he didnt have to call plays and he had some great DC.....Sark so far has shown he is a great play caller but his DC has not covered his backside , and maybe Sark isn't capable of wearing both the OC and CEO hats simultaneously....not sure what the solution is but this is not a TEAM quite yet

 

[Johnny Depp]

Sark so far has shown he is a great play caller

 What game did you watch? 

 

[zion3d]

 What game did you watch? 

To my point Mr Depp.  Yesterday was a debacle.  Other games which would be most from last year he wasn’t much better.  
 

Something is going wrong in the second half when we have a lead.  The defense folds and the offensive play calling is not coherent.  I just think he is overwhelmed and cannot make the right decisions regarding adjustments, play calling, and game management when he has to the the head coach whereas him being just an OC like at Bama he was quite good with the play calling.  Of course having that kind of talent doesn’t hurt.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Of course having that kind of talent doesn’t hurt.

Having the Greatest College Coach of All Time at Bama didn't hurt Sark's OC success. 

 If Sark is overwhelmed we hired the wrong guy. If everyone from announcers to fans can see what play is coming, we hired the wrong guy. 

 

[Dillohorn1]

Firing Sark now would be plain stupid.

 

[zion3d]

Having the Greatest College Coach of All Time at Bama didn't hurt Sark's OC success. 

 If Sark is overwhelmed we hired the wrong guy. If everyone from announcers to fans can see what play is coming, we hired the wrong guy. 

Yep, and even Saban while he is involved to a small degree with the defense he mainly operates as a head coach.  Lincoln Riley is one of the few coaches that can seem to handle both duties.  
 

And yes you are right but the administration wanted Sark as OC and HC.  No way to change that now.  So if he is failing as OC because of HC duties we will be looking for another coach in the near future.  I will say that getting manning bought him some time.  I just don’t think Sark would hire an OC so he could concentrate on HC duties.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Your optimizism is duly noted.  However, we have had all of these same discussions for the past 12 or so years and the end result for all of those years has been the same, a mediocre at best, team and record. 

The only way I will change my mind about where this is all going will be if the Longhorns win the Big 12 this year.  Anything less and I will not be convinced that we have the right head coach or that we are heading in the right direction as a program.  I alluded to Sarkesians record as a head coach many times to the aggravation of other fans but it is a large sample of what he has been able to do as a head coach.  .452 overall  Stats do not lie.  Now, is it possible that he could change that, sure.  But there are possibilites and probabilites.  I don't think its probable that he can be anything other than what his record as a head coach says he is.  

As far as just handling the OC duties he is a 10. This is what he did at BAMA.  But having to be the head coach and manage the game on top of everyhting else IMO is something that he is not capable of doing.  You can see the poor adjustments, game management, and how it affects the play calling.  

I am not advocating for him to be fired but either the administration or Sarkesian have to acknowledge that he cannot do both.  As far as firing goes, PK would be the first.  It will not happen until the year ends and we are 100th in total team defense again.  

I'm not trying to change your mind. Thats up to you. I just wanted to give a different perspective.

I think you made a good point about Sark's limited experience at HC. Like players, coaches learn from their mistakes. At least the good ones do. We'll see which one Sark ends up being.

I'd like to see PK let go and move Patterson in his place. But then again, Patterson had a lot to do with the game plan we just witnessed. He didn't take a week off.

Tech logged 100 offensive plays. Part of that was because our defense allowed them to, and part of that is because our offense wasn't consuming much clock.

Tomorrow has promise. If it didn't, there'd be no point in getting up in the mornings.

 

[zion3d]

I'm not trying to change your mind. Thats up to you. I just wanted to give a different perspective.

I think you made a good point about Sark's limited experience at HC. Like players, coaches learn from their mistakes. At least the good ones do. We'll see which one Sark ends up being.

I'd like to see PK let go and move Patterson in his place. But then again, Patterson had a lot to do with the game plan we just witnessed. He didn't take a week off.

Tech logged 100 offensive plays. Part of that was because our defense allowed them to, and part of that is because our offense wasn't consuming much clock.

Tomorrow has promise. If it didn't, there'd be no point in getting up in the mornings.

We keep having these discussions because up to now no one has been able to solve the riddle that is Longhorn football since Mac Brown in 2005.  If we were winning year in and year out the topics and discussions would be much different.  There would be no need for you to talk me off of the ledge. 

Boiling it all down all of us fans, coaches, and players want to win.  The problem is how and who can get us there.  We are 0-2 at bat and are swinging at the 3rd pitch as I speak.  Time will tell if we strike out or not.  I think we all can agree that at minimum we need to win 7-8 games this year to hold the recruting class together and even at that we still might lose a few.  That is why yesterdays loss was so difficult.  It's not just the now but the future that this loss affects. 

 

[Captain Hookem]

It's not just the now but the future that this loss affects. 

How does this affect the future? Are we losing Arch because we lost to Tech?
 

We win this week and most of the tech game is forgotten. Until we take another loss and people think the world is ending again.