Coaching Changes, Rumors, Misc.

[Hooverhog]

I agree about the primary purpose of any university should always be academics first, but I also agree that Tom Herman shouldn't give a crap about what the academics feel about him.  He's the football coach, not the professor, of these players.  His primary purpose should be the football team, and I hope he get's his head outta his a@@ and figures out what he needs to do to get this program back on track....

 

[Randolph Duke]

The primary purpose of any university should always be academics first.. It's the whole reason it exist... My degree and what it stands for are way more important than any athletic department or coach.

Many in academia are well known for being jealous, petty, territorial, and overly impressed with themselves. And they are, in general, easily replaceable. Coaches are judged on their performance and paid for delivering demonstrable results. That level of accountability never has, and never will exist in academia. 

What anyone’s degree stands for is determined by how it empowers them to reach their goals in life. Whether or not some tenured, pinhead prima donna approves of the pay rate of other university employees means nothing. 

Like I said earlier, if any academic wants to give up their feathered, tenured nest to coach football, they should shut up and do it. If they did, I guarantee you they would immediately start griping about how football coaches should be paid more. 

 

[63_Texas_1]

Welp mark both the pac 12 coaches off. Lake will be the new Washington coach and per IT Utah's DC already turned down the job.

Calling that a welp mark is a stretch. One takes a head coach position and the other is in a competitive position for final four (outside chance but still in the running). Just because they are not available doesn't mean that is a welp mark for Texas.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

The primary purpose of any university should always be academics first.. It's the whole reason it exist... My degree and what it stands for are way more important than any athletic department or coach.

Thats great. What does that have to do with academics having influence on athletics? No one is forcing anyone to determine which is more important, although I challenge you to fill DKR with a science fair. lol

Athletics, particularly football, pays the bills. Academics should know this otherwise they're not real academic to begin with.

I'll remind you of what happened the last time academics took over the decision making for UT football. It was a vast desert of nothing.

 

[Rotty22]

You don't put $x million dollars into the football stadium for academia...

 

[tejasrulz]

You don't put $x million dollars into the football stadium for academia...

Agree. I remember discussing this with someone years ago. I stated you fill that stadium up for a debate, seminar or a class and that professor will make what a coach makes. Until then, they wont.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Injuries contributed no doubt. But you could also look at it like this - this is year 3  of coaching and recruiting under this coaching staff.  If you’re a “good program” I can buy a bump in the road for 9 new starters.  But this defense ranks as one of the worst in school history.  It’s a tough lot trying to defend that - new starters or not. 

Good win today.  

You lost Bru McCoy before the season started. You lost DG Floyd indefinitely. You lost a RB (Brown) for an undetermined length of time.

Recruiting to refill the depth has had some weird twists and turns. 

And thats before you talk about the injuries to two veteran (sorta) safeties, one of which is an AA candidate. You lost a starting LB with Floyd before the season began. McCollough struggled with injuries all season. And we suffered some growing pains at the corners.

I felt Overshown should have been on the field every single play. He just makes plays and we needed more of that. Don't understand TO's hesitation with him.

I think we'll end up with a DC who plays a 4-man front. It will be interesting to see the difference.

 

[83Dee]

You lost Bru McCoy before the season started. You lost DG Floyd indefinitely. You lost a RB (Brown) for an undetermined length of time.

Recruiting to refill the depth has had some weird twists and turns. 

And thats before you talk about the injuries to two veteran (sorta) safeties, one of which is an AA candidate. You lost a starting LB with Floyd before the season began. McCollough struggled with injuries all season. And we suffered some growing pains at the corners.

I felt Overshown should have been on the field every single play. He just makes plays and we needed more of that. Don't understand TO's hesitation with him.

I think we'll end up with a DC who plays a 4-man front. It will be interesting to see the difference.

Agree.  

 

[java]

Injuries contributed no doubt. But you could also look at it like this - this is year 3  of coaching and recruiting under this coaching staff.  If you’re a “good program” I can buy a bump in the road for 9 new starters.  But this defense ranks as one of the worst in school history.  It’s a tough lot trying to defend that - new starters or not. 

Good win today.  

You are kidding, right?  Herman’s first recruiting class was put together with string and bubble gum after Strong quit recruiting early his last season. We were really fortunate to get the players we did, including a few diehard Longhorns like Ehlinger. 

I freely admit that I am no x’s snd o’s pro, heck it’s easy to see that I’m much more of a cheerleader. That said, Herman’s first real class was BJ, Caden, and all of those other sophomore starters you saw gut it out through injuries. They are warriors, much like Ehlinger. But even warriors are not as effective when they are injured. 

I saw one of them, may have been Brandon Jones knocking people down but never using one of his shoulders (left I think). I was pretty sure he was playing hurt because he knew we needed him out there that much. 

The Offense:  Recall the haphazard, lackluster series we saw during the first quarter. I was pretty certain that was Beck’s final exam which he flagged badly. 

Now consider the cohesive offense we saw later in the game. The offense where one play set up another, the offense that drove down the field and scored. The players were the same. The opponents were the same. Who do you think was calling those plays?  I would bet lots of cash that it was Herman.  

Herman took responsibility because he made the hires. I think it’s a shame that Orlando had to go. Beck was in way over his head, as was Wareheim. 

It’s time to quit bashing Herman. CDC isn’t looking over Herman’s shoulder. He is relieving him of some of the due diligence that is required when someone is hired for a job at a place like Texas. 

Due diligence that Urban Meyer should have done when he hired Zack Smith and others. (There you go, Urban, you sanctimonious mouthpiece.)

Herman, hire the best darn offensive & defensive minds out there, and let’s roll in the W’s!!

Hook ‘em!

 

[NEOkHorn]

I comments from many different areas speculating that things are moving quickly but I would be somewhat surprised if the new OC and DC are hired before next week. In truth, I would be a little disappointed if there were. This is a monumental decision in the immediate and long term future of the program and a quick hire is not always the most effective. Waiting a few extra days to talk to all of your most ideal candidates would seem to me to be the most prudent course. Even if it means waiting until they have completed their regular season and or conference championship. 

 

[java]

You lost Bru McCoy before the season started. You lost DG Floyd indefinitely. You lost a RB (Brown) for an undetermined length of time.

Recruiting to refill the depth has had some weird twists and turns. 

And thats before you talk about the injuries to two veteran (sorta) safeties, one of which is an AA candidate. You lost a starting LB with Floyd before the season began. McCollough struggled with injuries all season. And we suffered some growing pains at the corners.

I felt Overshown should have been on the field every single play. He just makes plays and we needed more of that. Don't understand TO's hesitation with him.

I think we'll end up with a DC who plays a 4-man front. It will be interesting to see the difference.

Overshown was injured, or so I heard.  When he played, he was amazing. 

 

[DBOOK23]

Everything I’ve seen and read on Chris Ash has been awesome, I have a friend of mine from high school who played for ash at Ohio state and he had nothing but positive things to say about him. I’m really starting to like the idea of it. If it’s not him then I want Barry Odom, he coached up Jordan Elliot to becoming a monster, Elliot is most likely a second or third rd pick in the draft. If not him then I want the DC from UAB, they play good D. On the contrary, I would like for us to think outside the box on the OC hire though, it’s not as simple as Harrell. We need to hire someone who is going to really put our players in a position to be successful. Harrell has a scheme, but I want someone who calls on players, not plays. I would really think long and hard about Jeff Scott at Clemson. 

 

[bevotee]

What Brady has done at LSU is amazing, but I don't want to chase the next hot thing with a (very) short resume.  Reminds me of Diaz, Strong, Gilbert, Herman, ...  He had a Heisman QB and incredible WR talent, how much of it was due to him?  Maybe lots but I wouldn't take that risk.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I like Graham Harrell. I really do. He's made for this and has exposure to some of the best schemes and concepts. His dad has been a head coach for years (Ennis) so coaching is in his blood.

From what I hear, he wants to come back to Texas near family and is receptive to UT.

He kept USC winning despite losing three QBs during the season. He turned North Texas' offense into a monster.

Do the due diligence but I think this is our guy.

 

[bill_ut75]

I like Graham Harrell. I really do. He's made for this and has exposure to some of the best schemes and concepts. His dad has been a head coach for years (Ennis) so coaching is in his blood.

From what I hear, he wants to come back to Texas near family and is receptive to UT.

He kept USC winning despite losing three QBs during the season. He turned North Texas' offense into a monster.

Do the due diligence but I think this is our guy.

Agree.

Occam's Razor…

 

[DMAC]

I like Graham Harrell.

This.

 

[83Dee]

You are kidding, right?  Herman’s first recruiting class was put together with string and bubble gum after Strong quit recruiting early his last season. We were really fortunate to get the players we did, including a few diehard Longhorns like Ehlinger. 

I freely admit that I am no x’s snd o’s pro, heck it’s easy to see that I’m much more of a cheerleader. That said, Herman’s first real class was BJ, Caden, and all of those other sophomore starters you saw gut it out through injuries. They are warriors, much like Ehlinger. But even warriors are not as effective when they are injured. 

I saw one of them, may have been Brandon Jones knocking people down but never using one of his shoulders (left I think). I was pretty sure he was playing hurt because he knew we needed him out there that much. 

The Offense:  Recall the haphazard, lackluster series we saw during the first quarter. I was pretty certain that was Beck’s final exam which he flagged badly. 

Now consider the cohesive offense we saw later in the game. The offense where one play set up another, the offense that drove down the field and scored. The players were the same. The opponents were the same. Who do you think was calling those plays?  I would bet lots of cash that it was Herman.  

Herman took responsibility because he made the hires. I think it’s a shame that Orlando had to go. Beck was in way over his head, as was Wareheim. 

It’s time to quit bashing Herman. CDC isn’t looking over Herman’s shoulder. He is relieving him of some of the due diligence that is required when someone is hired for a job at a place like Texas. 

Due diligence that Urban Meyer should have done when he hired Zack Smith and others. (There you go, Urban, you sanctimonious mouthpiece.)

Herman, hire the best darn offensive & defensive minds out there, and let’s roll in the W’s!!

Hook ‘em!

No I’m not kidding, are you?

My point was that you cannot simply point to injuries as the reason Texas played very, very poorly for much of this season.  Not only do players not develop here... they seem to regress.  I guess you dispute this?  I think my point is pretty well validated since the entire staff is currently being gutted. 

Nevertheless, if the staff was sub-par even that falls on Herman’s lap.  Bringing a competent staff on board is a gigantic part of the head coaches responsibility.  

I hope this works out.  What is best for Texas is that CTH grows into the role and we need not start all over again.  But the fact is when it comes to the place where coaches are told to let coordinators go - it rarely turns things around.  

Finally, I never understood policing a “discussion forum” and telling people what they need to talk about.  What we discuss here is of little consequence to what takes place on game day.  

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Thats great. What does that have to do with academics having influence on athletics? No one is forcing anyone to determine which is more important, although I challenge you to fill DKR with a science fair. lol

Athletics, particularly football, pays the bills. Academics should know this otherwise they're not real academic to begin with.

I'll remind you of what happened the last time academics took over the decision making for UT football. It was a vast desert of nothing.

Again a "university" main focus should always be academics... The academic fund has way more money than the athletic fund. The UT endowment is in the billions for academics. I give ZF what athletics think it is... Educating students should and will remain the focus on any university. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

It’s time to quit bashing Herman.

I love when people like to tell/control what other adults have to say about certain topics. If I want to bash Herman or for that matter any coach at Texas I will...

Thanks...

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Athletics, particularly football, pays the bills. Academics should know this otherwise they're not real academic to begin with.

They could should the football program down tomorrow and Ut would be fine..

Bolstered by booming oil prices, the University of Texas' endowment hit $31 billion in value this summer, according to data compiled by Bloomberg News — making UT's endowment second only to Harvard University's in size among the country's institutions of higher education.