Tom Herman Update

[DMAC]

I think it's highly possible. Hard to build momentum when you know your coach is gone after the season and your play is a big factor.

I'm not sure I buy this logic.  I doubt this is the reason UH has lost to both SMU and Navy.  If the UH players know Herman is leaving there would be numerous disgruntled players leaking this story all over.  I would love to believe that but I doubt it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Frankly....we are playing like we thing if we tank we get the number one draft choice.

Many consider Herman the savior, so I guess he would be the 1st overall pick in the draft.

 

[primal defense]

I guess we better not schedule Navy or SMU in the future.

Report: Tom Herman to Texas is ‘all but official’

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/tom-herman-texas-all-but-official/330127

 

[mctmatt]

If Tom Herman is the guy then do not give him a 5 year contract .  I think we have plenty of talent that he should show success his first year so pay the man more than normal . Give him 7 million for 3 years with incentives, but please do not tie us to another big 5 year contract. From all indications this is his dream job so offer higher per year but don't go over 3 years. 

 

[Randolph Duke]

If Tom Herman is the guy then do not give him a 5 year contract . I think we have plenty of talent that he should show success his first year so pay the man more than normal . Give him 7 million for 3 years with incentives, but please do not tie us to another big 5 year contract. From all indications this is his dream job so offer higher per year but don't go over 3 years.

Lol. Please, explain to us just how much you have been personally affected by the fact Charlie Strong was given a five year contract instead of a three or four year contract.

Let the guys who are willing to pay the price for being wrong decide on the details.

 

[mctmatt]

Lol. Please, explain to us just how much you have been personally affected by the fact Charlie Strong was given a five year contract instead of a three or four year contract.

Let the guys who are willing to pay the price for being wrong decide on the details.

Wins 14 Loses 18  hell last year I was wishing we had only signed him for a 2 year contract! LOL 

 

[MikeV73]

Lol. Please, explain to us just how much you have been personally affected by the fact Charlie Strong was given a five year contract instead of a three or four year contract.

Let the guys who are willing to pay the price for being wrong decide on the details.

Not to be a smart ass, but how much did/does the 12th man situation personally affect your life? He has his opinions and views, and you have your opinions on topics. IMO both of you have valid points overall.

 

[streettopeschel]

If Tom Herman is the guy then do not give him a 5 year contract . I think we have plenty of talent that he should show success his first year so pay the man more than normal . Give him 7 million for 3 years with incentives, but please do not tie us to another big 5 year contract. From all indications this is his dream job so offer higher per year but don't go over 3 years.

his agent would laugh at a 3 year deal. Any sought after coach's agent would.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Not to be a smart ass, but how much did/does the 12th man situation personally affect your life? He has his opinions and views, and you have your opinions on topics. IMO both of you have valid points overall.

If you remember when they extended Mack's contract in 2012 it was because it was accepted he couldn't recruit without giving the prospect the assurance he had long enough on his contract that he would be the coach for the athlete.

And now people want the next coach to try to recruit with a contract shorter than the time the athlete would be gentle at the school.

If the athletics department didn't believe in the coach enough to give him four years, why should the athlete believe in the coach?

No new coach will be able to recruit if the university believes he may not last past three years. Why is this a difficult concept to understand?

 

[MikeV73]

If you remember when they extended Mack's contract in 2012 it was because it was accepted he couldn't recruit without giving the prospect the assurance he had long enough on his contract that he would be the coach for the athlete.

And now people want the next coach to try to recruit with a contract shorter than the time the athlete would be gentle at the school.

If the athletics department didn't believe in the coach enough to give him four years, why should the athlete believe in the coach?

No new coach will be able to recruit if the university believes he may not last past three years. Why is this a difficult concept to understand?

I didn't say it was difficult, just responded to your comment on another poster's opinion/views.

 

[primal defense]

If Tom Herman is the guy then do not give him a 5 year contract .  I think we have plenty of talent that he should show success his first year so pay the man more than normal . Give him 7 million for 3 years with incentives, but please do not tie us to another big 5 year contract. From all indications this is his dream job so offer higher per year but don't go over 3 years. 

Why do you care?

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

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[NWAHorn]

Spot-on, RD.

No coach is taking this gig for fewer than 5 years guaranteed.

 

[Harrison Wier]

I'm not sure I buy this logic. I doubt this is the reason UH has lost to both SMU and Navy. If the UH players know Herman is leaving there would be numerous disgruntled players leaking this story all over. I would love to believe that but I doubt it.

I was referring to Texas with Strong

 

[mctmatt]

Why do you care?

Because a bad contract is costly . If Herman is the Coach you believe he is which I still have doubts and I really do hope I am wrong, then a three year contract will not phase him.. He either knows he will be successuf or not. By year two we should know if we are seeing improvements and if not just like we are doing now you make year 3 the final year.

 

[mctmatt]

If you remember when they extended Mack's contract in 2012 it was because it was accepted he couldn't recruit without giving the prospect the assurance he had long enough on his contract that he would be the coach for the athlete.

And now people want the next coach to try to recruit with a contract shorter than the time the athlete would be gentle at the school.

If the athletics department didn't believe in the coach enough to give him four years, why should the athlete believe in the coach?

No new coach will be able to recruit if the university believes he may not last past three years. Why is this a difficult concept to understand?

We are only giving Charles 3 years and even though we promised 5 years .  Recruits will know if the Coach is not producing  after 3 years he is going to be replaced. I understand your point Randolph but I think we can offer a 3 year contract that is not insulting and if Herman is successful during that time he and his staff will be rewarded with contract extension and pay.  If Herman is unable to right the ship then it is a very clean break without buyouts or any of the other issues that come when you fire a Coach in the third year of a five year contract. Just my opinion.  

 

[DMAC]

I cant see how everyone is so thrilled with Herman being the choice.  He lost to SMU and Navy.  Yea Strong is terrible but SMU and Navy?  

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I cant see how everyone is so thrilled with Herman being the choice.  He lost to SMU and Navy.  Yea Strong is terrible but SMU and Navy?  

If you eliminate every coach that loses a game, even a game that they should not have lost, then you are going to run out of candidates. 

Hell, didn't Saban lose to Louisiana Monroe, or somebody like that, his first year or so at Alabama?

And it's not like Navy is terrible. Aren't they ranked?

 

[DMAC]

If you eliminate every coach that loses a game, even a game that they should not have lost, then you are going to run out of candidates. 

Hell, didn't Saban lose to Louisiana Monroe, or somebody like that, his first year or so at Alabama?

And it's not like Navy is terrible. Aren't they ranked?

While I can understand the Navy game to an extent but SMU when you are ranked #11.  Oh Please.

I don't want to get back into another overrated coach like Strong obviously was.  I was all aboard the Herman train last year but after watching them the last 3 games I am not as impressed.  

At one point Herman was down 3 TD's to SMU (3-4) I believe.  That is was very familiar to one said Iowa State game last year.

You can excuse that loss all you want but after 3 years of shit I'm tired of excuses.  People said anyone but Mack and look how that turned out.  I remember the dismay the fans were in after BYU torched Manny Diaz defense for 550 rushing yards.  Funny how immune we have become now.  Strong's defense gives up 773 yards and we just go about our business or talk about how Gilbert and his questionable play calling.  

The next hire has to be right. 

 

[Captain Hookem]

Because a bad contract is costly . If Herman is the Coach you believe he is which I still have doubts and I really do hope I am wrong, then a three year contract will not phase him.. He either knows he will be successuf or not. By year two we should know if we are seeing improvements and if not just like we are doing now you make year 3 the final year.

Texas can stand their ground if they want to on a 3 year contract... and then watch Herman go to LSU (or whoever the highest bidder is).

These negotiations aren't happening in a vacuum, and big programs don't play small ball. Coaches may be overpaid (like corporate CEOs), but it's a buyer's market and they can pretty much dictate terms. People can not like that all they want, but it doesn't change the reality of how these things go down.

And sure... Texas may be Herman's "dream job". However people will only sacrifice so much for a dream in order get millions more guaranteed elsewhere. Happens all the time in sports.