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The good news, Java, is the victim's tile IX lawsuit will blow the lid off the pot.
Baylor is heading for a whole big pile of ta ta pootie wa (my grandsons description when he was a toddler)
Here is hoping Texas Monthly stays on top of this case.
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That young lady lost man of her benefits once that animal raped her.
Screw Briles.
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Good article
Art Briles is untouchable in this Baylor mess
Down in Waco, the Baylor slime factor has overflowed the banks of the Brazos, and many people over the last week, 99.9 percent of them outside of McLennan County, are blaming Art Briles.
I’m not here to blame Briles. The Bear cages are circled in Waco, defending Art. I’m also not here to defend Art. Art did what Art did because that’s what Art does.
A Baylor grad, then graduate student/real-good-football-player named Sam Ukwuachu, that’s who you blame. When it comes to dealing with women, this Ukwuachu guy is obviously one sick and miserable rodent.
Not exactly the kind of young man anyone would want on his college campus, and certainly wouldn’t want in the same state with coeds.
But I did mention, right, that Sam could play some good football, and that he was well entrenched in the Baylor academic scene, and until 10 days ago, he was going to be playing football for Briles and the Bears.
Now, however, it’s a desperate situation for many in Waco, including Baylor people not associated with the football team, who are attempting to cover their Bear butts.
And there will be a fall guy, or two, or more, for school President Ken Starr, who has “launched an investigation.â€
Briles is going nowhere. He’s more powerful in Waco than Starr. No football person at Baylor, I predict, will take a hit over all this sewer mess. The football program is the school’s pride and joy.
But Bethany McCraw, an associate dean at Baylor, has been shoved right up to the front of the line when it comes to the neck being separated from the shoulders by Starr’s swinging ax. She’s our leading fall guy, and based on all the evidence, rightfully so.
Bethany, maybe you have a good explanation, and I’d hope so, and I’d hope you give us that explanation, pronto.
Otherwise, this McCraw woman may have done what I’d have considered the impossible.
She is threatening to live in Dave Bliss infamy.
A murder cover-up at Baylor was the worst, but a rape cover-up at Baylor, if that’s what it was, can’t be that far behind.
I’m more interested to see in coming weeks and months how the McCraw case unfolds as opposed to what Art Briles knew or when he knew it.
McCraw’s decision-making from the start of this sexual-assault case two years ago, and even her breach of the truth on the witness stand 10 days ago, turned a rape victim’s life into 24 months of living hell.
When that jury in McLennan County found Ukwuachu guilty of raping that coed, the spotlight shifted directly to McCraw and the Baylor administration. Well, yes, Art, too. But Art is bulletproof in Waco.
By the way, the jury that found the Baylor football player guilty, turned right around and recommended probation to the judge. Probation.
Let’s see here. With probation, Sam could have done two weeks of stadium steps, mixed in some sideline-to-sideline gassers, and he might have been good for a few snaps against SMU this week.
When I first saw the headline that Ukwuachu had been convicted and sentenced to only six months in jail for rape, it was like, what?
In Waco, riding a Harley chopper can get you life without parole. Six months for rape?
But the judge in the case ignored the jury recommendation and at least took down Sam for six months.
And then the victim’s parents, names withheld, thanked the jurors. Why thank those fools?
Because for the first time in two years, somebody in Waco, Texas, finally believed their daughter and not Ukwuachu. McCraw didn’t believe her. The Waco cops didn’t believe her. Art didn’t... well, who knows what Art believed?
But give credit to the county prosecutors in Waco, some of whom had to be Baylor law school grads. They didn’t let the case slide. The DA’s office got an indictment, got the case to trial and, in the end, got a conviction when the Baylor football staff didn’t seem worried about a trial and certainly not a conviction. Not in Waco.
Unfortunately for Phil Bennett, the Bears’ defensive coordinator, he was speaking publicly in June about Ukwuachu being one of his players this season, knowing the guy was up on rape charges. Phil, Phil, Phil.
For the victim, let’s hope the conviction leads to one hell of a lawsuit against the school the young lady no longer attends. They ran her out of Baylor, but she never ran away from the truth. That’s a brave young woman.
So what about Briles? This mess taints his reputation, for sure. But does he care? And does it really matter what Chris Petersen, the former Boise State coach, did or didn’t tell Briles about Ukwuachu’s violence against his former girlfriend while Sam played football in Idaho?
Art says he accepted the player as a transfer because he didn’t know the Boise violence story.
We are all guessing here, but I’d say that’s wrong. I’d say Art knew, and took the player anyway.
I can’t prove that. Art can’t prove he didn’t, and Petersen, now at the University of Washington, appears very shaky with his comments.
But we do know that the woman Ukwuachu knocked around in Boise two years ago came all the way to Waco to testify against him. Again, the former Baylor coed and this woman from Idaho are the heroes in this story. Nobody else is. Nobody.
But I’ve got too much respect for Briles as a head coach and a talent finder to think for a second he didn’t totally vet a player transferring in from another school.
Besides, Art knew for two years the player was being accused of rape on the Baylor campus, and it didn’t matter to him. Sam was still waiting in the wings, as of this summer, to join the Bears on the field.
Why would a sexual-assault claim in Boise, Idaho, with no police report filed, have mattered to Art when it came to the decision to offer Sam a scholarship? It didn’t even matter on Art’s own campus.
So am I calling Art a liar?
Yes, I’m calling him a big-time college head football coach in the same classification as Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Bob Stoops, Jimbo Fisher, etc.
Art doesn’t have to care at Baylor. And it’s paid off big time for him and the school.
Well, it “was†paying off. Except now, all hell has broken loose.
Briles, however, won’t stop gambling on bad actors, even now, unless at some point, he’s ordered to stop. But who exactly gives that order in Waco? Ken Starr?
On that leave ’em laughing note, we know heads will roll over all this. And we know Art will be watching from a Waco safe place, high above it all.
Let’s go play some football. Sic ’em Bears.
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/randy-galloway/article32751300.html#storylink=cpy
Art Briles is untouchable in this Baylor mess
Down in Waco, the Baylor slime factor has overflowed the banks of the Brazos, and many people over the last week, 99.9 percent of them outside of McLennan County, are blaming Art Briles.
I’m not here to blame Briles. The Bear cages are circled in Waco, defending Art. I’m also not here to defend Art. Art did what Art did because that’s what Art does.
A Baylor grad, then graduate student/real-good-football-player named Sam Ukwuachu, that’s who you blame. When it comes to dealing with women, this Ukwuachu guy is obviously one sick and miserable rodent.
Not exactly the kind of young man anyone would want on his college campus, and certainly wouldn’t want in the same state with coeds.
But I did mention, right, that Sam could play some good football, and that he was well entrenched in the Baylor academic scene, and until 10 days ago, he was going to be playing football for Briles and the Bears.
Now, however, it’s a desperate situation for many in Waco, including Baylor people not associated with the football team, who are attempting to cover their Bear butts.
And there will be a fall guy, or two, or more, for school President Ken Starr, who has “launched an investigation.â€
Briles is going nowhere. He’s more powerful in Waco than Starr. No football person at Baylor, I predict, will take a hit over all this sewer mess. The football program is the school’s pride and joy.
But Bethany McCraw, an associate dean at Baylor, has been shoved right up to the front of the line when it comes to the neck being separated from the shoulders by Starr’s swinging ax. She’s our leading fall guy, and based on all the evidence, rightfully so.
Bethany, maybe you have a good explanation, and I’d hope so, and I’d hope you give us that explanation, pronto.
Otherwise, this McCraw woman may have done what I’d have considered the impossible.
She is threatening to live in Dave Bliss infamy.
A murder cover-up at Baylor was the worst, but a rape cover-up at Baylor, if that’s what it was, can’t be that far behind.
I’m more interested to see in coming weeks and months how the McCraw case unfolds as opposed to what Art Briles knew or when he knew it.
McCraw’s decision-making from the start of this sexual-assault case two years ago, and even her breach of the truth on the witness stand 10 days ago, turned a rape victim’s life into 24 months of living hell.
When that jury in McLennan County found Ukwuachu guilty of raping that coed, the spotlight shifted directly to McCraw and the Baylor administration. Well, yes, Art, too. But Art is bulletproof in Waco.
By the way, the jury that found the Baylor football player guilty, turned right around and recommended probation to the judge. Probation.
Let’s see here. With probation, Sam could have done two weeks of stadium steps, mixed in some sideline-to-sideline gassers, and he might have been good for a few snaps against SMU this week.
When I first saw the headline that Ukwuachu had been convicted and sentenced to only six months in jail for rape, it was like, what?
In Waco, riding a Harley chopper can get you life without parole. Six months for rape?
But the judge in the case ignored the jury recommendation and at least took down Sam for six months.
And then the victim’s parents, names withheld, thanked the jurors. Why thank those fools?
Because for the first time in two years, somebody in Waco, Texas, finally believed their daughter and not Ukwuachu. McCraw didn’t believe her. The Waco cops didn’t believe her. Art didn’t... well, who knows what Art believed?
But give credit to the county prosecutors in Waco, some of whom had to be Baylor law school grads. They didn’t let the case slide. The DA’s office got an indictment, got the case to trial and, in the end, got a conviction when the Baylor football staff didn’t seem worried about a trial and certainly not a conviction. Not in Waco.
Unfortunately for Phil Bennett, the Bears’ defensive coordinator, he was speaking publicly in June about Ukwuachu being one of his players this season, knowing the guy was up on rape charges. Phil, Phil, Phil.
For the victim, let’s hope the conviction leads to one hell of a lawsuit against the school the young lady no longer attends. They ran her out of Baylor, but she never ran away from the truth. That’s a brave young woman.
So what about Briles? This mess taints his reputation, for sure. But does he care? And does it really matter what Chris Petersen, the former Boise State coach, did or didn’t tell Briles about Ukwuachu’s violence against his former girlfriend while Sam played football in Idaho?
Art says he accepted the player as a transfer because he didn’t know the Boise violence story.
We are all guessing here, but I’d say that’s wrong. I’d say Art knew, and took the player anyway.
I can’t prove that. Art can’t prove he didn’t, and Petersen, now at the University of Washington, appears very shaky with his comments.
But we do know that the woman Ukwuachu knocked around in Boise two years ago came all the way to Waco to testify against him. Again, the former Baylor coed and this woman from Idaho are the heroes in this story. Nobody else is. Nobody.
But I’ve got too much respect for Briles as a head coach and a talent finder to think for a second he didn’t totally vet a player transferring in from another school.
Besides, Art knew for two years the player was being accused of rape on the Baylor campus, and it didn’t matter to him. Sam was still waiting in the wings, as of this summer, to join the Bears on the field.
Why would a sexual-assault claim in Boise, Idaho, with no police report filed, have mattered to Art when it came to the decision to offer Sam a scholarship? It didn’t even matter on Art’s own campus.
So am I calling Art a liar?
Yes, I’m calling him a big-time college head football coach in the same classification as Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Bob Stoops, Jimbo Fisher, etc.
Art doesn’t have to care at Baylor. And it’s paid off big time for him and the school.
Well, it “was†paying off. Except now, all hell has broken loose.
Briles, however, won’t stop gambling on bad actors, even now, unless at some point, he’s ordered to stop. But who exactly gives that order in Waco? Ken Starr?
On that leave ’em laughing note, we know heads will roll over all this. And we know Art will be watching from a Waco safe place, high above it all.
Let’s go play some football. Sic ’em Bears.
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/randy-galloway/article32751300.html#storylink=cpy
Doc, do you think the lawsuit will expose the truth, or will Baylor settle to keep Briles and Starr clean as a whistle?
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Email sent out from Ken Starr today to Baylor students and alumni
Dear Baylor Nation:
The recent criminal conviction of former student-athlete Sam Ukwuachu has brought deep anguish to our campus. As we have said unequivocally, acts of sexual violence contradict every value Baylor University upholds as a caring Christian community.
Important new information emerging from the recent judicial proceedings has made us aware of painful details of a brave survivor – and Baylor student-athlete at the time – who deserves our compassion and understanding. Our hearts break for any victim of such an unspeakable crime against human dignity. Her moving testimony at trial greatly disturbed all of us. What she said in court prompted us to take swift action, which I will clarify later in this letter.
Recent news reports have triggered intense scrutiny of our University. Now with the assistance of an independent investigator, I want to make sure that Baylor Nation is fully informed of our actions, as we continue to discover all that we need to in order to understand fully the circumstances surrounding this tragedy.
Some have concluded that we could have done more. Perhaps so. Our independent investigation will soon reveal if opportunities exist for improvements in the way we respond to allegations of sexual violence. But I retain full confidence in our Student Life professionals.
Let me be clear: I hold in the highest regard those who have dedicated their careers to the care of our students. It is also important to acknowledge why we may not have known more than we did. In higher education, our processes for examining allegations of sexual violence – which are consistent with those of other universities nationally – differ dramatically from the standards employed in a criminal investigation. Universities do not enjoy subpoena power. They cannot compel witnesses to testify under oath. Nor can universities require mental health professionals, counselors or physicians to disclose information about complainants.
Under governing law, universities typically must complete their investigations in 60 calendar days from the day of the initial report. In addition, universities are severely limited in their opportunity to review SANE (Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner) exams, which often prove to be critical evidence in criminal trials of sexual assault. In fact, such exams are entirely under the control of the local district attorney or local law enforcement. They are not the property of the victim, much less the university.
Nevertheless, we must always be vigilant to ensure that our processes – particularly those associated with the safety and well-being of our students – are not only robust and comprehensive, but entirely beyond reproach. That is why I took immediate action to ascertain the quality of our entire university-wide approach to both the prevention of and response to sexual violence. Our initial internal inquiry was led by Jeremy Counseller, Professor of Law at Baylor Law School, Baylor’s Faculty Representative to the Big 12 Conference and a former Assistant District Attorney. Professor Counseller’s inquiry, wise judgment and thoughtful guidance led promptly to our second action – a recommendation to our Board of Regents to retain outside counsel both to investigate these matters thoroughly and to review comprehensively our internal processes.
Last evening, we announced that Baylor Regents had retained the services of the Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton LLP, led by partners Gina Maisto Smith and Leslie Gomez. Ms. Smith and Ms. Gomez are nationally recognized experts in the institutional response to all aspects of sexual misconduct issues. They will report to a Special Committee of Baylor’s Board of Regents, not the Administration. Their guidance will help us pinpoint where we are strong and where we may need to improve.
Pepper Hamilton’s independent investigation will proceed even as we continue vigorously to support the work and essential student services of our Title IX Office. Federal regulations and recommendations with respect to the proper handling of allegations of campus sexual assault have evolved significantly – and rapidly – over the last few years. Baylor has been among the universities across the nation responding swiftly to these emerging mandates and seeking to ensure the safety of our campus. Ably led by Patty Crawford, our Title IX Office is rapidly becoming a point of pride for us.
Let me also speak to allegations that Coach Art Briles knowingly recruited to his team someone with a history of criminal violence. Our coach vehemently denied these allegations, and the sports media eventually got the story right. The player’s former coach at Boise State initiated contact with us. At no time did any Boise State official ever disclose any record of physical violence toward women. A variety of news sources ultimately corroborated the accuracy of Coach Briles’ account. In addition, in recent days, Coach Briles has made it absolutely clear that he is fully supportive of the independent investigation which will – among other things – ensure the thoroughness of the transfer admission of student-athletes, as well as of policies and procedures designed to safeguard the character and well-being of our entire student body.
Today, as I walked across the campus in these early days of the fall semester, I spoke with numerous students. They love Baylor. As I spoke with them, freshmen and upperclassmen alike, I was reminded of the high honor and weighty responsibility we have to ensure that our students receive a transformational Baylor education in a completely safe environment characterized by deep compassion and loving care. That we solemnly pledge to do.
In our response to violent acts that plague our society and at times visit our beloved campus, we must always hold close our sacred mission. As we move forward, we will continue to gain clarity as to where our processes can be improved. We will make those improvements and remain open – always – to how we can do better.
In abiding love for Baylor,
Dear Baylor Nation:
The recent criminal conviction of former student-athlete Sam Ukwuachu has brought deep anguish to our campus. As we have said unequivocally, acts of sexual violence contradict every value Baylor University upholds as a caring Christian community.
Important new information emerging from the recent judicial proceedings has made us aware of painful details of a brave survivor – and Baylor student-athlete at the time – who deserves our compassion and understanding. Our hearts break for any victim of such an unspeakable crime against human dignity. Her moving testimony at trial greatly disturbed all of us. What she said in court prompted us to take swift action, which I will clarify later in this letter.
Recent news reports have triggered intense scrutiny of our University. Now with the assistance of an independent investigator, I want to make sure that Baylor Nation is fully informed of our actions, as we continue to discover all that we need to in order to understand fully the circumstances surrounding this tragedy.
Some have concluded that we could have done more. Perhaps so. Our independent investigation will soon reveal if opportunities exist for improvements in the way we respond to allegations of sexual violence. But I retain full confidence in our Student Life professionals.
Let me be clear: I hold in the highest regard those who have dedicated their careers to the care of our students. It is also important to acknowledge why we may not have known more than we did. In higher education, our processes for examining allegations of sexual violence – which are consistent with those of other universities nationally – differ dramatically from the standards employed in a criminal investigation. Universities do not enjoy subpoena power. They cannot compel witnesses to testify under oath. Nor can universities require mental health professionals, counselors or physicians to disclose information about complainants.
Under governing law, universities typically must complete their investigations in 60 calendar days from the day of the initial report. In addition, universities are severely limited in their opportunity to review SANE (Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner) exams, which often prove to be critical evidence in criminal trials of sexual assault. In fact, such exams are entirely under the control of the local district attorney or local law enforcement. They are not the property of the victim, much less the university.
Nevertheless, we must always be vigilant to ensure that our processes – particularly those associated with the safety and well-being of our students – are not only robust and comprehensive, but entirely beyond reproach. That is why I took immediate action to ascertain the quality of our entire university-wide approach to both the prevention of and response to sexual violence. Our initial internal inquiry was led by Jeremy Counseller, Professor of Law at Baylor Law School, Baylor’s Faculty Representative to the Big 12 Conference and a former Assistant District Attorney. Professor Counseller’s inquiry, wise judgment and thoughtful guidance led promptly to our second action – a recommendation to our Board of Regents to retain outside counsel both to investigate these matters thoroughly and to review comprehensively our internal processes.
Last evening, we announced that Baylor Regents had retained the services of the Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton LLP, led by partners Gina Maisto Smith and Leslie Gomez. Ms. Smith and Ms. Gomez are nationally recognized experts in the institutional response to all aspects of sexual misconduct issues. They will report to a Special Committee of Baylor’s Board of Regents, not the Administration. Their guidance will help us pinpoint where we are strong and where we may need to improve.
Pepper Hamilton’s independent investigation will proceed even as we continue vigorously to support the work and essential student services of our Title IX Office. Federal regulations and recommendations with respect to the proper handling of allegations of campus sexual assault have evolved significantly – and rapidly – over the last few years. Baylor has been among the universities across the nation responding swiftly to these emerging mandates and seeking to ensure the safety of our campus. Ably led by Patty Crawford, our Title IX Office is rapidly becoming a point of pride for us.
Let me also speak to allegations that Coach Art Briles knowingly recruited to his team someone with a history of criminal violence. Our coach vehemently denied these allegations, and the sports media eventually got the story right. The player’s former coach at Boise State initiated contact with us. At no time did any Boise State official ever disclose any record of physical violence toward women. A variety of news sources ultimately corroborated the accuracy of Coach Briles’ account. In addition, in recent days, Coach Briles has made it absolutely clear that he is fully supportive of the independent investigation which will – among other things – ensure the thoroughness of the transfer admission of student-athletes, as well as of policies and procedures designed to safeguard the character and well-being of our entire student body.
Today, as I walked across the campus in these early days of the fall semester, I spoke with numerous students. They love Baylor. As I spoke with them, freshmen and upperclassmen alike, I was reminded of the high honor and weighty responsibility we have to ensure that our students receive a transformational Baylor education in a completely safe environment characterized by deep compassion and loving care. That we solemnly pledge to do.
In our response to violent acts that plague our society and at times visit our beloved campus, we must always hold close our sacred mission. As we move forward, we will continue to gain clarity as to where our processes can be improved. We will make those improvements and remain open – always – to how we can do better.
In abiding love for Baylor,
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From that letter . . . .
Exactly how did the sports media eventually get the story right (re Briles)? I'm not sure the story was ever wrong.
And since when does Ken Starr accept an explanation based solely on one of the suspected perpetrator's word? What planet are we on again?
Exactly how did the sports media eventually get the story right (re Briles)? I'm not sure the story was ever wrong.
And since when does Ken Starr accept an explanation based solely on one of the suspected perpetrator's word? What planet are we on again?
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Wow, we were after him for a while.
He'll get some wind sprints from Briles and that'll be it. lol
If he had signed with us, Charley's core values may have kept his record clean. See there Moms?
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I don't agree with this stuff.
It's the first Saturday of the College football year, College Gameday is there to entertain the fans, thus they brought in Paisley to perform and cameo on the show in Sundance Square. The terrible incident that took place at Baylor has been discussed by ESPN on numerous occasions via Television and Radio. Do I agree with folks turning a blind eye to this woman? Absolutely not. Should College Gameday be expected to discuss it? Absolutely not. Ketch is stirring the pot and it's pointless. All it does is make Texas fans look envious of Baylor's success.
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