Swoopes

[J.B. TexasEx]

Does Strong announce a starter in spring? If he does and names Heard starter and then Swoopes decides to transfer, we go into next year with the same scenario as this year.

Pfft...this line made beer shoot out my nose!

It will be smart for CFS to keep the competition open throughout the spring. I don't see a problem with naming a starter after spring practice. If that hurts Swoopes feelings, so be it. Good riddance

 

[java]

Pringlelake, if you are right and I am wrong that's fine by me. Since you know Mack quite well, please explain why Sally was in Muschamp's final review? I find that highly irregular. To my knowledge, Sally was not an AD employee.

Why did Harsin get the hell out of Dodge as fast as his Nike's could take him? Jerry Gray?

What about the former NFL lineman who wouldn't allow his son to to play on a Brown coached team & took him straight to College Station (OL). The kid is now a pro. And the multi-million dollar alums (also former players) who refused to continue to participate in Mack's 'Kitchen Cabinet' because he wouldn't listen to anyone and was so hard-headed. That Mack Brown!

I agree he was a nice guy & brought us a National Championship, but like all of us, he was and is flawed. No one is perfect, and we are now experiencing tough times because he was not perfect, and he stayed too long.

 

[ScoBro1]

Pfft...this line made beer shoot out my nose!

It will be smart for CFS to keep the competition open throughout the spring. I don't see a problem with naming a starter after spring practice. If that hurts Swoopes feelings, so be it. Good riddance

What a waste of good beer!  Thats kinda what I was trying to get at. If its clear cut and they know what they want to do I would name Heard in spring..then move Swoopes or hope he transfers to open a scholly for 2016. Give Gentry or whoever more reps at QB. Dont reallly see the need for Swoopes to continue taking reps if he comes out of spring no better than he is now.

 

[java]

ScoBro, I don't either. Unless Swoopes has some remarkable transformation, I don't see him playing even as a number 3. Let Vinklarek and Holtz back up Heard if Gentry needs a redshirt year, as he almost certainly will.

 

[LHornjack]

Java, you are dead right. I don't think Mack liked alpha males for some reason, and he recruited that way the last few years. Mack was a good guy that I liked personally. I was certain he was going to retire in 2010, but when the staff and the team fell apart and we had that season, he was convinced to stay. I don't know if it was DeLoss or Sally that did it....or both. It is sad that he stayed.

Being retired, I can tell you that once you get into that mode, you begin to coast a bit, and I think that is what happened. But he missed on some fine quarterbacks over a longer period than that, so the retirement thoughts weren't responsible for that. I think he just didn't like the kind of kids that make good quarterbacks.

It is a sad situation, and Strong is just going to have to recruit his way out of it.

Cherry, 

Love your posts the vast majority of the time, but have to counter some of your comments here...

Major, Sims, Vince and Colt all played QB for Mack and were good quarterbacks ...he missed the last few years for sure....but those 4 are likely in the top 10 QB's in UT History....not sure what you mean makes a good QB, but all those had it....That basically accounts for 11-12 years of Mack's tenure...

 

[java]

LHornJack, Mack didn't recruit Major, and if I recall correctly, Brewster had to convince him to take Vince. Mack got the credit, but Vince was recruited by Brewster. Mack initially resisted bringing Vince in, but eventually did so with a great deal of push by Brewster.

Others here can either confirm or deny, but I am fairly certain of those facts.

Mackovic recruited Major.

Hook 'em!

 

[pringlelake]

Pringlelake, if you are right and I am wrong that's fine by me. Since you know Mack quite well, please explain why Sally was in Muschamp's final review? I find that highly irregular. To my knowledge, Sally was not an AD employee.

Why did Harsin get the hell out of Dodge as fast as his Nike's could take him? Jerry Gray?

What about the former NFL lineman who wouldn't allow his son to to play on a Brown coached team & took him straight to College Station (OL). The kid is now a pro. And the multi-million dollar alums (also former players) who refused to continue to participate in Mack's 'Kitchen Cabinet' because he wouldn't listen to anyone and was so hard-headed. That Mack Brown!

I agree he was a nice guy & brought us a National Championship, but like all of us, he was and is flawed. No one is perfect, and we are now experiencing tough times because he was not perfect, and he stayed too long.

java.. Let's get one thing straight right up front. I never said that Mack did not have flaws. In fact, I placed part of the blame of our current situation at his feet. But not all the blame.

[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]I'm confident in what I know about Mack and find no need to go any further than point to his record. [/SIZE]But you hold yourself out as knowing with certainty what Mack does and does not do. [SIZE=14.3999996185303px]You've stated, as a truth,[/SIZE]  that Sally was in Muschamp's final review? How do you know that?  Were you sitting there also? Did Muschamp tell you Sally was there? Give me the details on all that and how you came to personally know that it's true.

And while you're at it, fill me in on the extent of your personal knowledge of the truth of your other examples of Brown's ineptitude?

Is it possible that you don't really know if they're true or not??? That possibly you did nothing more than read them on a message board or in a blog and truthfully...don't know if they're true or not?  Is it possible that one of the sources of your information was that same guy that told us that he could guarantee that Nick Saban was going to be our next head football coach?

Regarding Harsin, last I heard he was head coach at Boise State? Right? I'd say that was a pretty good reason to move on down the line.

What does Jerry Gray have to do with all of this? You and Jerry big buds too? Tell Jerry I said hi.

I have no desire to bash any part of the University of Texas football program...past or present. I love Charlie Strong and he has my 100% support. But I don't have much appreciation for those fans that want to pile on the hate for a coach that gave us 10 to 12 years of the best football of our lives at UT...especially when you don't have actual knowledge of what is true or not true. He had flaws like we all do and needed to move on. But I find no need to continue the Mack bashing that's been going on for nearly 2 years now. Drop it.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

LHornJack, Mack didn't recruit Major, and if I recall correctly, Brewster had to convince him to take Vince. Mack got the credit, but Vince was recruited by Brewster. Mack initially resisted bringing Vince in, but eventually did so with a great deal of push by Brewster.

Others here can either confirm or deny, but I am fairly certain of those facts.

Mackovic recruited Major.

Hook 'em!

That's correct as I remember it.

Brewster was a very good recruiter. And it's funny that he had to show Mack film several times to convince him. Even at that, Mack didn't go with what he was seeing . . . he gave the nod because he was loyal to Brewster.

Mackovic found Major late in the process at some Catholic school in Baton Rouge I believe.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

java.. Let's get one thing straight right up front. I never said that Mack did not have flaws. In fact, I placed part of the blame of our current situation at his feet. But not all the blame.

[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]I'm confident in what I know about Mack and find no need to go any further than point to his record. [/SIZE]But you hold yourself out as knowing with certainty what Mack does and does not do. [SIZE=14.3999996185303px]You've stated, as a truth,[/SIZE]  that Sally was in Muschamp's final review? How do you know that?  Were you sitting there also? Did Muschamp tell you Sally was there? Give me the details on all that and how you came to personally know that it's true.

And while you're at it, fill me in on the extent of your personal knowledge of the truth of your other examples of Brown's ineptitude?

Is it possible that you don't really know if they're true or not??? That possibly you did nothing more than read them on a message board or in a blog and truthfully...don't know if they're true or not?  Is it possible that one of the sources of your information was that same guy that told us that he could guarantee that Nick Saban was going to be our next head football coach?

Regarding Harsin, last I heard he was head coach at Boise State? Right? I'd say that was a pretty good reason to move on down the line.

What does Jerry Gray have to do with all of this? You and Jerry big buds too? Tell Jerry I said hi.

I have no desire to bash any part of the University of Texas football program...past or present. I love Charlie Strong and he has my 100% support. But I don't have much appreciation for those fans that want to pile on the hate for a coach that gave us 10 to 12 years of the best football of our lives at UT...especially when you don't have actual knowledge of what is true or not true. He had flaws like we all do and needed to move on. But I find no need to continue the Mack bashing that's been going on for nearly 2 years now. Drop it.

Good post though I disagree with some of it, very well put nonetheless.

I'll say this . . . Mack put almost an immediate stop to the best talent this state has going to the Florida States, Miamis, USCs of the college world that was taking place at the time. It was a mass exodus to those and other programs until Mack got here. It was said by year 3 that Mack had almost closed the doors to the state.

Take one look at OU today. Stoops and that program are suffering and living a lie because they stopped taking on Texas for the best of Texas talent. Stoops pretended to launch some cockeyed national recruiting campaign and that got him in trouble because those players didn't pan out like Texas players do. To get out of it, he's turned to some desperate moves that have called him into question and are now biting him in the karma butt.

You can lay that at Mack's feet, too. He didn't win many in the Cotton Bowl, but he was the master in February. At the same time, talent at Texas became elevated on both sides of the ball. Under Mackovic, great offensive stars and good defensive players but short on the defensive coaching.

It's late, I think I'm rambling. Damn, sorry.

 

[pringlelake]

Mack was the closer on Vince. Brewster did yeoman work, but we still had a ways to go before Mack came into the picture. Mack was the closer. And Vince Young has been quoted as stating that he would never have committed to the University of Texas if it were not for Mack Brown.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Swoopes there it went. He is not the answer, time to move on. Heard you're the next contestant on let's make a QB.

HOW DOES OHIO ST HAVE 3 LEGIT QBs AND WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING JUST ONE?!

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

He'll make a fine TE some day.

That would actually seem like an option... IFFF he wasnt terrified of contact. Rarely have I seen a dude that big be less physical. Pure embarrassment...

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

I don't want to pile on Tyrone.

I liked David Ash quite a bit as a QB and think/believe this season would have gone much better had he not been forced out.

But he was and it became 'sink or swim' with Swoopes.

And I think almost all of us quickly realized what the coaches already knew -- Swoopes was in over his head.

At that point, the only choices left to us were -- pull the shirt off Heard or coach Swoopes up.

We did neither.

While I blame most of the stink of this season on Mack Brown (and Dodds/Powers for that matter), there is nonetheless the lingering question whether Watson can get the job done as "Co-OC" and QB coach.  The available evidence to us is that Tyrone Swoopes did not improve over time.  He was making the same mistakes all season long, including this bowl game.  It's hard to believe he did not improve at all, but that is how it went.  

How much of that is on him?  How much is on Watson?  Did Watson adjust his schemes and play-calling to suit Swoopes?  Other than not trusting Swoopes to unleash the same deep ball Ash would have, if it happened, I did not see it.  One small example against Piggy were the wide open zone-read lanes that Swoopes refused to run to.  Those were there most of the season yet he rarely took advantage of them.  Against Piglet, I cannot recall that he kept the ball on any zone-read play.  Did Watson coach him not to take off there (fearing loss of our only QB)?  if he did, why run the zone read,as it becomes ineffective if the QB never keeps?  Or, was it on Swoopes?  Did he not see the open lanes?  Was he afraid to run?  

I say that, at some point over the course of a full season, the blame must fall on the coach.  No improvement over time.  No adjustments.  It doesn't bode well for the future.

I was never a fan of Ash but I am 100% confident that our season would have gone lightyears better with him at QB... Swoopes is one of the worst college QBs that I have ever seen. The kid is not a winner. Like most have said here, I am sure he is a phenomenal kid... But he is not D1 college QB and is too terrified of contact to play D1 ball at any position, IMO.

I agree completely... This season has to fall on the coaches. I dont want to hear about all the personnel issues nonsense... As a leader and a coach your find yourself in a particular situation, the "why's" and "how comes" DO NOT MATTER AT ALL! It is your job to create success with the parts that you are given. If that means shuffling until you find a good lineup, do it. If that means you coach the shit out of kids, do it. If that means finding alternative ways to reach the kids, DO IT! Or give back your damn paycheck! Watson absolutely failed miserably at creating succes with the pieces he was given. If he didnt want a project he should have stayed home! I have been embarrassed and very disappointed in the coaching staffs ability to make strategic moves that would show at least an effort to gain success. The QB blows... Find a way to win, thats what the great ones do.

Too many times this year I heard coaches say "well we have what we have..." That is the most bs copout statement ever. Im not all about disbanding a coaching staff in the first year but I can say that I am completely unimpressed with what our coaches have done this year as a whole. We only beat super shitty teams that we should have beaten, and thats just a fact. I know we all want to pull some positivity out of beating crap teams but that should be tempered.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Mr. Cherry, that is on Mack, too. Why did he run off every qb we had? At least, every back-up not named Case. The train wreck Charlie inherited rests on the weak shoulders of one Mack Brown-the tight ends, qbs, oline, discipline issues, and strength & conditioning. The linebacker issues earlier in the season could be thrown in, as well luckily many of those are much improved.

I am also of the opinion (I know, I'm full of them this am) that Mack recruited passive players, if possible, because he loathed conflict. Passive does not win football games.

Hook 'em!

I love Mack for what he did for the program but I couldnt agree with you more... Make made this mess and CS has to clean it up. Its a damn shame.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

I am sure Vinklarik or any of the walk ons could have played better than Swoopes if given the chance. 99% of the 4,5, and 6A QBs in Texas high schools could have played better. A few trick plays to keep the defense on their heels might have helped us too, but there were NONE of those. I guess Watson and Strong were saving those for next season too. Color me pissed off as I am sure many players who watched our coaching staff piss away the season with Swoopes at QB feel the same...which could be the reason we had some players who didn't care( per Brown and Diggs ). Players take on the personality of the coach , right ??? So why should Diggs be upset at the players who didn't care? The coaches didn't care about this season either.

Between Macks last couple of years and this year it is absolutely criminal what we have been doing to very good skill athletes with crappy QB play. Ash was lightyears better than Swoopes but even he wasnt able to fully utilize the talent we have at the skill positions. I feel your anger and match it.

NOTE: DONT RECRUIT 2A QBs. He went from playing against Pop Warner kids to one of the biggest programs in the country... Who knew he'd fail. Says alot that he had a completely winless season in HS. He is not a winner. Bottom line.

Last thing we need to happen is a Will Muschamp type scenario where our D is good but our O is one of the worst EVER. Please god let these OLine commits come in and have an immediate impact. That would help so much!

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

Pfft...this line made beer shoot out my nose!

It will be smart for CFS to keep the competition open throughout the spring. I don't see a problem with naming a starter after spring practice. If that hurts Swoopes feelings, so be it. Good riddance

A man should always know his limitations... And if he doesnt, there is a coaching staff that should!

 

[echeese]

If we run this same offensive plan with this same crappy OLine but we have a QB that will hit the open receivers then we are competitive in this game. Heck we probably score 21 points if our QB just makes the easy throws.

It is funny how few understand the difference between scheme (x's and o's) and execution.

No offense looks good if it does not execute well.

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

It is funny how few understand the difference between scheme (x's and o's) and execution.

No offense looks good if it does not execute well.

Hahaha... Well obviously. But I understand the need to state it.

 

[HornEsch]

The funny thiing is, if you could take the moxy/confidence from Case and combine it with the physical tools of Swoopes, you would have a pretty damn good QB. Unfortunately that is not how it works.

 

[java]

pringlelake, I respect you as a poster, but I need to correct a few of your assumptions.

1). You assume I got my information here. I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong. I did not get the information on Muschamp's final review from a blog. Not everyone does. That is why assumptions can be very treacherous. I can assure you that it is solid, but I will not reveal more.

2). I made an observation about the State of the Program when Charlie was hired. It was a train wreck. I approved of the dismissals for repeated violations of team rules. Perhaps you did and perhaps you didn't. You did not answer my questions, but only questioned my knowledge, so I don't know.

3). I don't post random gossip. It is just not my style. I do post opinions, and they are typically positive, but Mack held on too long and did a great deal of damage to my University. It has tarnished my opinion of him as a person and a coach. He has a number of wins and the VY National Championship, but DKR is the greatest coach we ever had. Royal left with class and dignity. Mack hired Jamail.

4) You will not see another response from me. There is no point, and it bores other posters.