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[Austin Horn]

Pitching coach Sean Allen out per Kendall Rogers

I can’t believe people are shocked by this 

 

[Austin Horn]

The bullpen was awful this year. 

 

[BWilk55]

I can’t believe people are shocked by this 

I think the shock is due to the fact that just last year he was assistant coach of the year and a major prospect for head coaching jobs. That was after coaching one of the top pitching staffs in the nation. 

I still don't understand the details of why the pitching staff went south this year but this does seem to indicate Pierce felt that a lot of the blame fell on Coach Allen. He would not make this move lightly as he and coach allen have coached together a long time at multiple universities (11 seasons total).

Coach Allen is not a pitching coach by trade but moved into the role when Tulo came on as the hitting coach. The role seemed to suit Allen just fine last season but things were very different this year. It may have come down to the fact the Allen is best when coaching hitting and Pierce wanted to keep Tulo in that role. Allen will land a good gig elsewhere, curious to see if that is on the hitting side.

 

[BWilk55]

Total speculation here, but the team had their late season turn around after Allen got hit by a foul ball in the dugout and coaching responsibilities had to be shifted around for 1-2 games. I wonder if that was the catalyst for realizing a change needed to be made. If things got better without Allen in the dugout, perhaps he was the source of some of the problems. 

 

[Eastexhorn]

This was on 24/7 A$M batter  singled in 8 th and wasallowed to take second with out athrow.

Can some ho watched the game confirm this. Did team quit after big calledstrike out?

ttt

 

[BWilk55]

We may also be looking at replacing both a hitting and pitching coach now. Tulo is from Southern California so the move for him would make sense. 

 

[Eastexhorn]

Yesterdays Austin vs LA. no brainer.

Todays Austin vs LA would take a lot of money.

 

[BWilk55]

Yesterdays Austin vs LA. no brainer.

Todays Austin vs LA would take a lot of money.

Tulo made 163 million during his career. Money probably isn't the major concern for him. Heck, he could coach for free and still live a lavish lifestyle.

This could be a dream job for him. Go back home and rebuild a traditional power while enjoying the LA lifestyle. Not a bad gig.

Hoping we can hold onto him.

 

[Eastexhorn]

LA life style you mean smog, traffic jams, high prices on everthing, high taxes and unreasonable regulations to live by.

Him maybe but not this old country boy.

 

[TB14]

Saw on MLB.com list of top 200 draft prospects that we had 5 players make it. All in the bottom half of the list and predicted to go between the 3-5 rounds. 
 

Ivan Melendez

Pete Hanson

Trey Faltine

Silas Ardoin

Douglas Hodo

 

[BWilk55]

Saw on MLB.com list of top 200 draft prospects that we had 5 players make it. All in the bottom half of the list and predicted to go between the 3-5 rounds. 
 

Ivan Melendez

Pete Hanson

Trey Faltine

Silas Ardoin

Douglas Hodo

Can't imagine Ivan could do much to raise his stock by returning. Not much more he could do in the field or with the bat. 

Faltine, Ardoin and Hodo all probably have something left to prove and could potentially see their stock rise with a good year. Faltine and Ardoin with some inconsistency at the plate. Hodo was pretty solid in the field and batting so he may be pretty maxed out. Baseball is tricky as once you exhaust college eligiblity, your draft stock drops a bit as you have no leverage and no threat of the team losing you back to your college. These guys may make a move to the pros for that reason.

 

[BWilk55]

Can't imagine Ivan could do much to raise his stock by returning. Not much more he could do in the field or with the bat. 

Faltine, Ardoin and Hodo all probably have something left to prove and could potentially see their stock rise with a good year. Faltine and Ardoin with some inconsistency at the plate. Hodo was pretty solid in the field and batting so he may be pretty maxed out. Baseball is tricky as once you exhaust college eligiblity, your draft stock drops a bit as you have no leverage and no threat of the team losing you back to your college. These guys may make a move to the pros for that reason.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2022/6/21/23175091/texas-longhorns-baseball-2023-projections-henry-bolte-cutter-coffey-david-pierce-dylan-campbell

Good article here discussing draft prospects, returning players and recruits and what the 2023 team may look like.

 

[TB14]

Can't imagine Ivan could do much to raise his stock by returning. Not much more he could do in the field or with the bat. 

Faltine, Ardoin and Hodo all probably have something left to prove and could potentially see their stock rise with a good year. Faltine and Ardoin with some inconsistency at the plate. Hodo was pretty solid in the field and batting so he may be pretty maxed out. Baseball is tricky as once you exhaust college eligiblity, your draft stock drops a bit as you have no leverage and no threat of the team losing you back to your college. These guys may make a move to the pros for that reason.

Exactly. Melendez will be 22.5 years old at the time of the draft. Nothing else to improve. Better get every dollar he can. Agree on Hodo. His energy will help him with scouts. Faltine and Ardoin are so great defensively that a team will take them on day 2 just to be a backup and pray the bat gets better. 

 

[BWilk55]

Exactly. Melendez will be 22.5 years old at the time of the draft. Nothing else to improve. Better get every dollar he can. Agree on Hodo. His energy will help him with scouts. Faltine and Ardoin are so great defensively that a team will take them on day 2 just to be a backup and pray the bat gets better. 

Yeah, the Burnt Orange Nation article I posted above seems to be leaning that these older, marginal guys may sign if drafted because they don't have much leverage otherwise. 

Gonna be a lot of new faces on the field next year.

 

[Baron]

Yeah, the Burnt Orange Nation article I posted above seems to be leaning that these older, marginal guys may sign if drafted because they don't have much leverage otherwise. 

Gonna be a lot of new faces on the field next year.

I have a hard time with marginal. I'm no expert but, shouldn't several players be picked early on the second day?

 

[joeywa]

ttt

On that pitch, batter check swing, Ardoin appeals to 1B which was overruled saying no offer. It wasn’t catcher indifference. 

 

[joeywa]

The bullpen was awful this year. 

And yet, with as bad as the pen was, Texas had the 26th best ERA in the country, the best ERA in the B12 and still made it to Omaha as a non-Top 8 seed with all that duct tape and baling wire. But yeah, let’s run off the pitching coach because he had nobody step up into a consistent producer in the Midweek spot. And because of that plus the only two regular starters (Gordon & Hansen) running out of gas down the stretch, Stevens moving to the pen, not a single closer stepping up after Nixon couldn’t figure out FB location and an extremely overused pen, that’s on the pitching coach?  
 

I totally get the Texas battered fan syndrome. And whenever there is a monicker of success from a Big 3 sport, it hardly ever satisfies the fan expectation. Going to Omaha 3/5 years for Pierce & Co is a tremendous accomplishment. Y’all need to take a look at this without tunnel vision. If (when) UT loses Tulo, that can be explained to recruits. Firing Allen, D1 Assistant of the Year last year, and all of the above, is going to adversely affect the recruiting class. Some of these kids that will likely be drafted in later rounds by a MLB team, where they wouldn’t probably go pro before, will now seriously entertain it. Uncertainty in the staff of a team that just went B2B to Omaha, and fires one of the best recruiters and assistants in the country a couple of days after leaving Omaha will lead to exodus. Additionally, some of these recruits as well as ‘23 kids are extremely familiar with Allen as the lead recruiter. Maybe not so much with Pierce. 2023 was going to be a rebuild year anyway, but that was with the returning roster pieces all coming back and the recruiting class not being largely affected by this draft. 
 

This move will likely have ramifications, and not a single one of them good for Texas Baseball. It’s going to take something HUGE to fix this, and I’m not sure it happens. Pierce has to knock it out of the park with the next hires. I sure hope he has some names lined up. 

Hell of a time to make this move, on the cusp of moving to the SEC. Showing up there in a truck with two flat ties and no spare is not a good game plan. My 2¢. 

 

[83Dee]

And yet, with as bad as the pen was, Texas had the 26th best ERA in the country, the best ERA in the B12 and still made it to Omaha as a non-Top 8 seed with all that duct tape and baling wire. But yeah, let’s run off the pitching coach because he had nobody step up into a consistent producer in the Midweek spot. And because of that plus the only two regular starters (Gordon & Hansen) running out of gas down the stretch, Stevens moving to the pen, not a single closer stepping up after Nixon couldn’t figure out FB location and an extremely overused pen, that’s on the pitching coach?  
 

I totally get the Texas battered fan syndrome. And whenever there is a monicker of success from a Big 3 sport, it hardly ever satisfies the fan expectation. Going to Omaha 3/5 years for Pierce & Co is a tremendous accomplishment. Y’all need to take a look at this without tunnel vision. If (when) UT loses Tulo, that can be explained to recruits. Firing Allen, D1 Assistant of the Year last year, and all of the above, is going to adversely affect the recruiting class. Some of these kids that will likely be drafted in later rounds by a MLB team, where they wouldn’t probably go pro before, will now seriously entertain it. Uncertainty in the staff of a team that just went B2B to Omaha, and fires one of the best recruiters and assistants in the country a couple of days after leaving Omaha will lead to exodus. Additionally, some of these recruits as well as ‘23 kids are extremely familiar with Allen as the lead recruiter. Maybe not so much with Pierce. 2023 was going to be a rebuild year anyway, but that was with the returning roster pieces all coming back and the recruiting class not being largely affected by this draft. 
 

This move will likely have ramifications, and not a single one of them good for Texas Baseball. It’s going to take something HUGE to fix this, and I’m not sure it happens. Pierce has to knock it out of the park with the next hires. I sure hope he has some names lined up. 

Hell of a time to make this move, on the cusp of moving to the SEC. Showing up there in a truck with two flat ties and no spare is not a good game plan. My 2¢. 

I come in peace... but I’ll speak to your response that seemed to have a bit of an irked tone.

you mentioned a handful of pitchers who “didn’t step up.”  Well....

in other words, didn’t perform.  One, in particular, was a shell of himself last year.  This is exactly why the pitching coach was fired.  Maybe it wasn’t his fault... but coaches whose players don’t perform do get fired... nature of the beast.

I’ve been following Texas baseball since the 70s.  And you can make a case that the 8 position players and batting lineup this year was up there with the best Texas has ever had.  A fifth place conference finish with this level of talent is disappointing to say the least.  Moreover, for one of - if not the most storied baseball schools in the nation.... two and through in the CWS (with this year’s talent) is a disappointment as well.   

 

[Eastexhorn]

On that pitch, batter check swing, Ardoin appeals to 1B which was overruled saying no offer. It wasn’t catcher indifference. 

B oy that lost me Thought I said single and runner was allowed to take second with no throw. A d wondered if team quit.

 

[Eastexhorn]

IMO theremay be something in Allen getting hit by foul ballang coach changefor a few games.Was several games where best relivers came in game first. Won Then back to usingpoor judgement in relievers.

May be nothing just a theory.

 Bottom line looked poorly prepared in CWS.Out hit and out pitched

On the two starters running out of gas.N D pltched more innings than Hansonhe looked ok

Its over and done maybe next yeat will bebetter Thanks for all you do for Horns baseball.

Allenwas a hitting coach primary wasent he?